First into Delta Quadrant

[Rian Cleary]

Just watched S3 E8 of TNG - The Price -
Following the discovery of the galaxy's first stable wormhole, representatives from several cultures meet on the Enterprise to negotiate for passage rights; Troi falls for a handsome delegate who uses underhanded tactics in negotiations. - Data & Geordi go through expecting to go into the Gamma Quadrant but end up in the Delta Quadrant . Did Voyager say they were the first ship from the federation to venture into the Delta Quadrant cause Geordi and Data were?

 

[LJones41]

I do not recall Voyager's crew claiming that they were the first into the Delta Quadrant. The U.S.S. Raven, carrying the Hansen family, was the first Earth or Federation ship to appear in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Timo]

...And the Friendship One probe had ended up in Delta in the 21st century already, apparently fully by design. Getting there doesn't appear to have been a problem. Getting there alive would be more of a challenge; getting back and telling the story is the bit we haven't heard of, until the TNG and then VOY heroes manage that.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ethros]

Weren't the TNG crew in the Delta Quadrant in Descent pts.1 & 2?

 

[Timo]

Yup. This came after LaForge and Data had briefly visited Delta in "The Price", which may be why it didn't get a mention yet.

Incidentally, the renegade Borg being in Delta may be why the heroes later seem to be aware that the regular Borg are in Delta (Crusher voices this belief in ST:FC). But this makes little sense - surely the renegades would wish to distance themselves from the regulars, and if they can span quadrants with their movements, they would most probably opt to be in a quadrant where the regulars are not.

In the end, it seems the Borg are everywhere already anyway, and have been for ages. But the full story of why our heroes (mistakenly but also correctly) placed the Borg at Delta in ST:FC is still to be told...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[od0_ital]

... Did Voyager say they were the first ship from the federation to venture into the Delta Quadrant cause Geordi and Data were?

First off, there is quite a difference between a two-man short range shuttle and a starship with over 130 crew.

Second, at the end of VOY 'Caretaker', Janeway comments that they are the only Federation starship in the Delta Quadrant, which, as far as they knew at the time, was true.

Third, VOY 'Equinox, Parts One & Two' at the end of the sixth & beginning of the seventh seasons, established that the Caretaker brought the Federation Starship Equinox into the Delta Quadrant before the Voyager.

Fourth, the Hansens were in a scout ship that piggybacked with a Borg vessel, Data & Geordi were in a shuttle, the Enterprise-D going into the Delta Quadrant was always a temporary event, both times it happened, in 'Q Who?' and 'The Descent, Parts One & Two'. The Voyager crew was there, and they knew they had no immediate way to get back to the Alpha Quadrant since Janeway blew up the array instead of using it. So, their situation was completely new for a Starfleet crew or Federation citizen.

 

[Timo]

...And still nobody actually claimed out loud and on air that the VOY main heroes would be trailblazers without precedent. So not only is there no problem there, there's no problem in there being no problem.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ethros]

In the end, it seems the Borg are everywhere already anyway, and have been for ages. But the full story of why our heroes (mistakenly but also correctly) placed the Borg at Delta in ST:FC is still to be told...

Well Archer & T'Pol knew those "cybernetic creatures" in 2153 sent a signal to their pals in the Delta Quadrant. They obviously reported it to Starfleet HQ. I guess in the 2360s, post Q-Who and Best of Both Worlds, Starfleet Command/Intelligence put two and two together.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Just watched S3 E8 of TNG - The Price -
Following the discovery of the galaxy's first stable wormhole, representatives from several cultures meet on the Enterprise to negotiate for passage rights; Troi falls for a handsome delegate who uses underhanded tactics in negotiations. - Data & Geordi go through expecting to go into the Gamma Quadrant but end up in the Delta Quadrant . Did Voyager say they were the first ship from the federation to venture into the Delta Quadrant cause Geordi and Data were?

There is a Voyager episode where they meet those Ferengi lost in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Timo]

Well Archer & T'Pol knew those "cybernetic creatures" in 2153 sent a signal to their pals in the Delta Quadrant. They obviously reported it to Starfleet HQ. I guess in the 2360s, post Q-Who and Best of Both Worlds, Starfleet Command/Intelligence put two and two together.

There is a Voyager episode where they meet those Ferengi lost in the Delta Quadrant.

Both of these pose problems of their own, though.

How can a message be interpreted as being for the Delta Quadrant? If all they have is the direction, then the message might be for the neighboring star or the neighboring galaxy just as well.

And Data specified the Delta location where the Ferengi were stranded as mere 200 ly from the previous spot, which had been in Gamma. The Voyager would have had little reason to graze the quadrant border...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JesterFace]

Weren't the TNG crew in the Delta Quadrant in Descent pts.1 & 2?

Enterprise did go through somekind of transwarp hub or something but I don't remember then mentioning anything about being in the Delta quadrant.
However in the end of 'Descent, part 2', Hugh says that the group of individualised Borg can't go back to the Delta quadrant, for some reason, don't know why. Perhaps the groups base was somewhere in the Alpha quadrant?

 

[Kor]

Both of these pose problems of their own, though.

How can a message be interpreted as being for the Delta Quadrant? If all they have is the direction, then the message might be for the neighboring star or the neighboring galaxy just as well.

And Data specified the Delta location where the Ferengi were stranded as mere 200 ly from the previous spot, which had been in Gamma. The Voyager would have had little reason to graze the quadrant border...

Timo Saloniemi

Maybe subspace signals have a certain range, which can be figured out based on the strength of the signal or something.

Kor

 

[Tim Thomason]

Non-canon-wise, an issue of Star Trek: New Visions has Kirk's Enterprise, during the five-year mission, become the first starship to travel into the Delta Quadrant (apparently under normal propulsion), where, of course, they run into the Borg and all that (whatever).

It just boggles my brain trying to figure out how Kirk managed to travel into the Delta Quadrant, since that doesn't really gel with Voyager at all. He must've hit a warp highway.

 

[Rian Cleary]

There is a Voyager episode where they meet those Ferengi lost in the Delta Quadrant.

Yea true, I wonder how long they had been there at that stage, were the characters named the same for continuity purposes? Wonder what the time gap btwn TNG & VOY was. Thanks

 

[Rian Cleary]

Thanks for your replies friends. Clearly my memory isn't as good as yours. Love having this forum to talk to you all

 

[Herbert]

Non-canon-wise, an issue of Star Trek: New Visions has Kirk's Enterprise, during the five-year mission, become the first starship to travel into the Delta Quadrant (apparently under normal propulsion), where, of course, they run into the Borg and all that (whatever).

It just boggles my brain trying to figure out how Kirk managed to travel into the Delta Quadrant, since that doesn't really gel with Voyager at all. He must've hit a warp highway.

Not only is it a batshit crazy idea, it's also not canon so it can be easily discarded. Well, easily for me anyway. Others are free to consider it of course.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

The Voth were the first Earthlings in the DQ by a few million years probably.

 

[PT109]

Well Archer & T'Pol knew those "cybernetic creatures" in 2153 sent a signal to their pals in the Delta Quadrant. They obviously reported it to Starfleet HQ. I guess in the 2360s, post Q-Who and Best of Both Worlds, Starfleet Command/Intelligence put two and two together.

In addition to this, I've always suspected that El-Auria was either in the Delta Quadrant or in the Beta Quadrant, close to the border.

By the time the 1701-D visited J-25, Starfleet Intelligence could look back to the 2153 signal and where El-Aurian refugees originated and conclude with a high degree of confidence that the Borg originated in Delta Quadrant (or at least had a significant presence there).

After Wolf 359, the Federation Council would've also likely conducted a 9/11 Commission-style investigation. A thorough investigation may have turned up further circumstantial evidence of Borg activity, such as the assimilation of the USS Tombaugh in 2362 and possibly even figured out what the Hansens were up to. While it did seem like they were working in isolation, someone (El-Aurians?) was spreading rumors about the Borg's existence beyond the Neutral Zone in the early 2350s. There's no reason to believe the Hansens were the only ones aware of them. Those people would be folks a hypothetical Wolf-359 Commision would want to interview.

 

[Farscape One]

Yea true, I wonder how long they had been there at that stage, were the characters named the same for continuity purposes? Wonder what the time gap btwn TNG & VOY was. Thanks

They were named the same. Arridor was played by the same actor both times, too. Not Kol, though.

And the time gap between those episodes corresponds to roughly the same amount of years in real life. ("The Price" took place in 2366, fairly early that year, and "FALSE PROFITS" took place in very early 2373, based on stardates and other information knowing what year each show was set in in, such as TNG season 1 took place in 2364 from dialogue in "The Neutral Zone", and VGR season 1 was in 2371 from dialogue in "EYE OF THE NEEDLE". Kol said, "We had 7 years of pure profit." Even the original airdate was almost exactly 7 years... October 1989 and November 1996.)

 

[Finn]

Both of these pose problems of their own, though.

And Data specified the Delta location where the Ferengi were stranded as mere 200 ly from the previous spot, which had been in Gamma. The Voyager would have had little reason to graze the quadrant border...

Timo Saloniemi

The Ferengi may have travelled for a bit before they reached that planet from False Profits..

 

[Kor]

Non-canon-wise, an issue of Star Trek: New Visions has Kirk's Enterprise, during the five-year mission, become the first starship to travel into the Delta Quadrant (apparently under normal propulsion), where, of course, they run into the Borg and all that (whatever).

It just boggles my brain trying to figure out how Kirk managed to travel into the Delta Quadrant, since that doesn't really gel with Voyager at all. He must've hit a warp highway.

John Byrne doesn't seem to think much of non-TOS Trek, so it's not surprising that he would play fast and loose with it. And New Visions is more of an experimental art project, IMO.

Kor