Fallout 3: Bioshock "ripoff" apparently.

[Jim Steele]

According to this lady.

"It’s pretty obvious the game is ripping off Bioshock. Send me hate mail if you must, but first let’s look at the comparison. Bioshock was a shooter with RPG elements that took place in a post-apocalyptic dystopia. Fallout 3 is, yeah, just that. Bioshock achieved stunning visuals and environments by juxtaposing desolation and destruction with a campy, retro aesthetic in its posters, radio broadcasts, and items around the city of Rapture. Fallout 3… Well have you seen vault boy? (We’re not even getting into the nit-picky, interesting comparisons, like how Bioshock’s world is defined by having too much water, while the Fallout 3 landscape seems defined by its lack.)"

A "shooter with RPG elements" (a description which only just barely fits Bioshock) is hardly a new thing, and frankly the comparison is deeply flawed nonsense.

Fallout 3 (clue's in the title doll, if anything it's "ripoff" of Fallout 1&2) takes place in a wide open post apocalyptic wasteland. It, like its predecessors (and it's spiritual stablemates, Morrowind and Oblivion), is "defined" by its go anywhere/do anything aesthetic, whereas Bioshock was pretty much a linear shooter.

...and, Bioshock was shit anyway.

Bloggers of the world, please do some fucking research before spouting nonsense.

Best comment:

"Hi,

I followed a few links and read your article.

I’ll save you the time of explaining how Fallout 1 and 2’s retro-industrial chic came about a decade before Bioshock, as I’m sure you’ve now extensively researched all the information that you should have had prior to reading the article.

Likewise, I’ll save myself the time of writing a longwinded diatribe against your ability to hold down a professional position as a gaming journalist with so little competence and the syntax and diction of a high school newspaper writer to simply call you a blithering, worthless idiot instead."

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I wouldn't say Bioshock was shit, but it didn't deserve the hype, and it was hardly a new concept, and it could have been done better. But all in all I liked it.
But it's like some people think if it didn't happen in the last couple of years it never happened at all.

 

[JonathonWally]

I'm a big fan of Bioshock, but didn't it just build of the elements of System Shock?

Also, FPS meets RPG, uh, Deus Ex?

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I'm a big fan of Bioshock, but didn't it just build of the elements of System Shock?

Also, FPS meets RPG, uh, Deus Ex?

It didn't really build on System shock, in fact I think it removed a little from it. But really it was just System Shock with a face lift, and set underwater instead of a space ship.

 

[Jim Steele]

I'm in a minority about Bioshock, I think it's the hype that ruined it for me. I found it souless and uninspiring tbh.

 

[JonathonWally]

I'm in a minority about Bioshock, I think it's the hype that ruined it for me. I found it souless and uninspiring tbh.

By the time i got around to playing it, I had been out of the loop of video games since Half Life 2 because WoW sucked my soul from me. I told a friend I needed a new FPS to play that wasn't awful. Hence Bioshock.

I really enjoyed it except for a few levels. Favorite part was the second play through using nothing but the freeze thing and the wrench.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I'm in a minority about Bioshock, I think it's the hype that ruined it for me. I found it souless and uninspiring tbh.

To be honest, I agree with hype ruining it. For all that was made about it's "moral dilemma", and choices that matter, there was nothing to back it up, you had 1 choice that made any difference, and it didn't matter if you massacred the sisters, or just had to use one to get through the level, same outcome.

But isn't that the case for so many games lately. They're perfectly good games, but you're lead to believe they're the second coming, and can't help but be disappointed when you get to play it.

 

[Jax]

I'm in a minority about Bioshock, I think it's the hype that ruined it for me. I found it souless and uninspiring tbh.

I loved the demo but once I played the full game, it got pretty shit very quickly. It just seemed like a game full of 90's ideas, which should be left to rot back in that decade

 

[Rii]

Like Fallout?

 

[Jim Steele]

^



At least Fallout 3 isn't just a retread of F1&2. Fallout fans moan and whinge about the Elder Scrolls, and how Bethesda don't "respect" the franchise but frankly I think they're the best developer for the job.

Um, tangent over.

 

[misskim86]

Lol what an idiot. You would have thought she would have figured that if the title has a "3" in it, it's based on two former titles and actually do some research and find out that it's based on those two and not on Bioshock.

 

[dragunzng]

Don't think you should be reading that website. Not sure if this is worth the effort put into the discussion thus far.

Unless anyone here actually agrees that Fallout 3 is ripping off Bioshock.

Well... do ya... punk?

 

[Arrqh]

Fallout 3 looks a lot more like a Oblivion + guns (not a good thing IMO) then a Bioshock ripoff which it looks nothing like. As far as I'm concerned, Bioshock isn't even an RPG.

On Bioshock; while I agree that the "moral choice" was pretty meaningless and the RPG elements were non-existent, it was still an excellently executed game based on the art direction, writing and atmosphere alone. But I never let hype get to me. If you get all hyped up and are then disappointed because you were led to believe unrealistic expectations that still makes you biased when it comes to evaluating the game.

But if you want to talk overrated... lets talk about Oblivion

 

[misskim86]

I don't see what connection F3 has with Oblivion besides using a heavily upgraded graphics engine.

*Super hyped on Fallout3*

 

[Jim Steele]

I love Oblivion (probably a carryover from my love of Morrowind), but I'm not blind to its flaws.

Bioshock, however, can just suck my balls - period. I'm sick to death hearing about how original and brilliant it is when it was neither.

 

[Jim Steele]

I don't see what connection F3 has with Oblivion besides using a heavily upgraded graphics engine.

*Super hyped on Fallout3*

You must be being facetious, because I know you know it's being made by Bethesda, on the same engine, using many of the same game design philosophies they use in The Elder Scrolls.

Have you seen the gameplay footage? "Oblivion with guns" is not an inaccurate description - a cynical one, sure, but it's at least superficially true.

*also super hyped on Fallout 3*

 

[misskim86]

Lol yes they are using the same game design philosophies RPG games have been using for 2 decades, I don't see how that is all of a sudden exclusive to Oblivion. Just what is it with Fallout3 that is "oblivion" besides the same (but heavily upgraded) graphics engine.

I really don't see how it can be called Oblivion with guns just because it's the same engine.

And I have seen every single video out there I love them.

 

[Jim Steele]

Lol yes they are using the same game design philosophies RPG games have been using for 2 decades,

The Elder Scrolls games are pretty unique in their execution.

I don't see how that is all of a sudden exclusive to Oblivion. Just what is it with Fallout3 that is "oblivion" besides the same (but heavily upgraded) graphics engine.

They've essentially taken the Fallout universe and made an Elder Scrolls game out of it. It's plainly obvious from the recent PAX demos - NPC interaction, quest management, how you interface with the world, etc - it's being executed in a very similar way to Oblivion.

If you can't appreciate the comparison then you're either blind or just being dense.

I really don't see how it can be called Oblivion with guns just because it's the same engine.

That's *not* what anyone is saying.

 

[misskim86]

But what's special with the interaction in Oblivion, making it so original from other rpg's?

 

[Arrqh]

Quest structure, conversation system, leveling system, skill system...

It's not "Oblivion with guns" because it's the same engine. It's "Oblivion with guns" because it appears to carry the exact same design ethos with a different visual style and a few extra bells and whistles.