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Does anyone know how fast Warp 13 is in "all good things"

Infern0

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Just rematch ed this episode and the Enterprise D refit goes to Warp 13 at one point.

USS Voyager is the fastest ship in the fleet of it's time which is obviously a couple of decades before All good things is set.

That ship goes warp 9.975 and will take 70 years to go 70,000 light years. Also warp 10 is considered to be transwarp at that time and isn't safely possible to starfleet (the borg and voth among others can go this speed though)

So where does Warp 13 fit in?
 
Possibly a warp equivalent measurement that equates with some sort of transwarp conduit or vortex.
 
Much, much slower than the USS Discovery. Significantly slower than the Enterprise-A at warp 7 as well. And Enterprise NX-01 at warp 5.
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Just rematch ed this episode and the Enterprise D refit goes to Warp 13 at one point.

So does the hospital ship Pasteur. So it's unlikely to be superfast by the standards of the day. Hospital ships today are intended to be floating treatment facilities rather than ambulances, and few have high speed as a major design feature (although some are conversions of high volume container ships or tankers, for which high speed is a design feature of sorts, albeit incidental and inherent in their long hulls). Hospital ships of the 24th century might be different, of course, but we don't really get the impression.

USS Voyager is the fastest ship in the fleet of it's time

Not really. She's fast, but not quoted with record speeds. The contemporary Prometheus goes faster, as per "Message in a Bottle". The forte of the Voyager is supposed to be her agility, as in the pilot episode where she uniquely can penetrate the Badlands.

which is obviously a couple of decades before All good things is set.

And so, apparently, is the construction date of the Pasteur, or the E-D for that matter. How much a refit could really affect top speed can be debated.

That ship goes warp 9.975

...At "sustainable/stable cruising speed", whatever that means - dash speed is probably higher still. And nevertheless the Prometheus goes faster.

and will take 70 years to go 70,000 light years.

To be exact, 75 years at "maximum speed". Which may or may not be the highest speed the ship can attain. After all, sustaining the highest speed for seven decades should be impossible - yet our heroes return to the seven-decade estimate after having begun their long voyage home, indicating it is an attainable goal, and thus that "maximum speed" should be read as "maximum attainable speed". Which may be much lower than either the dash speed of the ship, or the quoted stable cruising speed.

In the end, Barclay in "Pathfinder" calculates that the ship has been making headway at an average speed of warp 6.2. Which may very well be what Janeway based her initial guesstimate on.

Also warp 10 is considered to be transwarp at that time and isn't safely possible to starfleet (the borg and voth among others can go this speed though)

Warp 10 is considered infinite speed. No matter what the means, technologies or details, reaching this speed means zero travel time by definition. And doing better thus means arriving before you left, which may be what Riker is saying when claiming that besting warp 10 means time travel in "Time Squared".

So where does Warp 13 fit in?

In the future, apparently. Which is sort of the point.

In the 24th century, engineers and scientists are reputed to believe in nine "warp factors" where the engine works more smoothly than between those. The warp factors supposedly are a phenomenon of nature, which the warp engines exploit, not a feature of the engines themselves. Later folks may simply have discovered that there are more of these factors, at higher speeds (which the earlier engines could not attain and thus reveal the higher factors). Say, perhaps there's first a group of nine, then a bit higher up the speed curve a group of five, and warp 15 is now the going rate for infinite speed. Until the next group of six is found.

Real nature is weird like that. Would be fun if warp in Trek were, too.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Didn't the Star Trek fact files explain it away as a 'revision of the warp scale,' whereby warp 13 is just a newer expression of, say, warp 9. I assume that's how they reconciled continuity with the Warp 10 thing in 'Threshold.'
 
It must really be pretty slow. You would think Earth to the Devron system (or even reverse) at warp 13 should be like five to ten minutes. But it totally isn't.
 
Since transporters are nearly instantaneous, apparently operating in the speed range of subspace communications, why don't they just have a series of pony express type relays on established passenger corridors. You just beam, step off, beam step off.. etc. Even if it was 50 times you'd still get wherever you were going faster than a ship.
 
I've always figured the scale got redone, warp 10 became 15 or 20 and the various 9.9##s that used to get thrown around became 10,11,12,etc
 
Maybe it's code. "Warp 13" means go at a speed that gives us just enough time for exposition scenes before things get crazy again.
 
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as you can see, the ship has an additional nacelle

3 > 2

so it follows that it would be 50 % faster

that's just science, I'm sorry
 
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as you can see, the ship has an additional nacelle

3 > 2

so it follows that it would be 50 % faster

that's just science, I'm sorry

You aren't considering the extra mass of the nacelle and the big cannon thingy. Please send a good ten hours redoing your calculations to correct this.
 
If we wanted to get nerdy technical we could probably conjecture that as speeds increased they got tired of saying so many nines and just extended the n to the 3.3333 power progression longer, defining some higher warp as infinite speed.

If that is the case, warp 13 is about 5165c.
 
If we wanted to get nerdy technical we could probably conjecture that as speeds increased they got tired of saying so many nines and just extended the n to the 3.3333 power progression longer, defining some higher warp as infinite speed.

If that is the case, warp 13 is about 5165c.

To avoid all those cumbersome numerals, I think they should assign each different warp speed an arbitrary name based on a flavor, instead of thinking in terms of numbers. More decimal points would be expressed with different flavor combinations.

"Ensign, set course for Alpha Centauri, Warp Factor strawberry-chocolate-pistachio-curry-garlic-sardine-bubble gum. Engage!"

And as a bonus, the replicator makes you a very special dish based on that flavor combo. :drool:

Kor
 
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