Destroying Tornadoes

[noknowes]

Considering the billions of $ cost of tornadoes destroying towns/houses every year I find it remarkable that no one has bothered to work out a way to destroy or stop these tornadoes.

Tornadoes need to have a definite air/wind flow pattern for it to persist and disrupting that pattern would cause the tornado to collapse.

My ideas are to use:-

high power directional sonic waves from concert sized loudspeakers with a particular disrupting frequency.Similar to sonic waves destroying tumblers.


fire lasers of a certain frequency at certain points which would disrupt the flow pattern by creating local instabilities and causing it to collapse.


fire explosive charges.such as air fuel mixtures or even try conventional explosives such as tank shells or multiple rockets into the centre of the tornado

fire narrow beam microwaves at selected areas.i.e radar dish type.

it is quite easy to create artificial tornadoes in liquids and therefore the above ideas ca be tested easily in the lab or in someone's garage.

The device would be mounted on the back of a truck and dispatched to tornado prone areas to destroy tornadoes which approach towns and houses.

 

[John Picard]

Tornadoes do not strike populated areas that often and very rarely last that long. I don't see how you propose to "collapse" the tornado when it is made up of cold air falling and hot air rising at the same moment. Couple that with the fact that sometimes rotation will start but never touch down, while other times they will touch down and travel.

The weather research center at the University of Oklahoma has a new vehicle *somewhat* similar to the one used in (that far fetched piece of shit movie) Twister, with loads of scientific instruments to further analyze tornadoes.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I like the idea of having hundreds of explosives left in the path of the tornado so when the tornado goes over them they all get sucked into the twister, as they all starting spinning within and get spread out someone pushes the detonator and blows them all up. The resulting explosion throughout the tornado will disrupt it so it dissipates.

 

[John Picard]

I like the idea of having hundreds of explosives left in the path of the tornado so when the tornado goes over them they all get sucked into the twister, as they all starting spinning within and get spread out someone pushes the detonator and blows them all up. The resulting explosion throughout the tornado will disrupt it so it dissipates.

Yeah, right!

 

[FordSVT]

I like the idea of having hundreds of explosives left in the path of the tornado so when the tornado goes over them they all get sucked into the twister, as they all starting spinning within and get spread out someone pushes the detonator and blows them all up. The resulting explosion throughout the tornado will disrupt it so it dissipates.

Yeah, right!

Someone forgot to tell them that a tornado contains the energy of a small nuclear weapon. Any explosion large enough to actually stop a tornado from striking a populated area would do more damage than the tornado. Tachy's idea (as usual) is even crazier, as he's added dangerous projectile explosive devices that will be picked up and hurled miles away in every direction. And you might as well throw firecrackers into it for all the good a bunch of little explosions would do. Do 1000 firecrackers blow up an M1A1 any better then one firecracker?

Even if you did manage to track, target and successfully detonate a large enough explosion to disrupt a tornado momentarily (killing everyone within a mile no doubt), it would reform almost instantly. It's like a whirlpool that forms when two rivers merge; You could disrupt the whirlpool for a moment by tossing a stick of dynamite into it but the in-rushing water would reform it almost instantly. So unless anyone knows of a bomb large enough to disrupt 10 cubic miles of air space without killing everyone in the county and irradiating a storm cell....

People have already thought about doing this. In fact, they've tested it on a small scale in labs. It just isn't practical. Not with explosives anyway, maybe in the future we'll have some kind of electromagnetic weather control, I don't know. Though such a system would likely have to stop a tornado from forming in the first place; once they start they contain an awful lot of energy. More than "concert loudspeakers". Man where do you guys come up with this!?

People talk about stopping hurricanes too, never mind that a hurricane like Katrina would eat up a dozen 10 megaton nukes and burp them out like breakfast. AND we'd irradiate the hurricane with fallout in the process.

 

[John Picard]

^^ I didn't want to mention the debris field for fear of further confusing already deranged ideas.

 

[noknowes]

I like the idea of having hundreds of explosives left in the path of the tornado so when the tornado goes over them they all get sucked into the twister, as they all starting spinning within and get spread out someone pushes the detonator and blows them all up. The resulting explosion throughout the tornado will disrupt it so it dissipates.

Yeah, right!

Someone forgot to tell them that a tornado contains the energy of a small nuclear weapon. Any explosion large enough to actually stop a tornado from striking a populated area would do more damage than the tornado. Tachy's idea (as usual) is even crazier, as he's added dangerous projectile explosive devices that will be picked up and hurled miles away in every direction. And you might as well throw firecrackers into it for all the good a bunch of little explosions would do. Do 1000 firecrackers blow up an M1A1 any better then one firecracker?

Even if you did manage to track, target and successfully detonate a large enough explosion to disrupt a tornado momentarily (killing everyone within a mile no doubt), it would reform almost instantly. It's like a whirlpool that forms when two rivers merge; You could disrupt the whirlpool for a moment by tossing a stick of dynamite into it but the in-rushing water would reform it almost instantly. So unless anyone knows of a bomb large enough to disrupt 10 cubic miles of air space withouwront killing everyone in the county and irradiating a storm cel..

People have already thought about doing this. In fact, they've tested it on a small scale in labs. It just isn't practical. Not with explosives anyway, maybe in the future we'll have some kind of electromagnetic weather control, I don't know. Though such a system would likely have to stop a tornado from forming in the first place; once they start they contain an awful lot of energy. More than "concert loudspeakers".

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

A low cost method is to fire wires with weights into the tornado which have a high voltages this will again cause disruption of the internal.Fly by wire missiles fired into the tornado with 10000 volts or even Iron bars attached to a high voltage wire could cause energy bleed disruption causing internal instability.

Tornadoes are very delicate.Conditions must be just right.Disrupt those conditions and it collapses.

This is not a hammerhead bludgeon type solution which would require vast amounts of energy but one that requires disruption at delicate points of the flow.Critical points of the flow.Just like a small current passed into a transistor or relay can control a much larger one.

After much thought it occurs to me that pulsed lasers would be the best method.Or sonic disruptors using horn loudspeakers.

 

[Daedalus12]

There was an article in an IEEE journal (Aerospace and Electronic Systems Magazine, Volume 22, Issue 6, June 2007) about taming tornadoes with microwave beams directed at narrow volumes of air to heat up the cold downdraft regions in proximity to the warm updraft regions. There is a feedback system that adjusts the intensity and direction of the beam accordingly with the changing system. The paper doesn't address much details since it's very much an open problem with multiple hurdles to overcome. YOu'll need to have an accurate model of tornado formation and also a rapid method of obtaining and analyzing atmospheric data. All in all this sounds like a lot of PhDs.

 

[John Picard]

Many Americans suffer from Tornadoes every years.
Homes lost or destroyed.Have you no pity at all for these victims?

Life has inherent risks. Live in an area where natural disasters can and do strike, then deal with it.

A low cost method is to fire wires with weights into the tornado which have a high voltages this will again cause disruption of the internal.Fly by wire missiles fired into the tornado with 10000 volts or even Iron bars attached to a high voltage wire could cause energy bleed disruption causing internal instability.

I take it you've never seen a tornado nor been near the aftermath of one. If you had, you'd know that firing something into a tornado in not feasible nor practical.

Tornadoes are very delicate.Conditions must be just right.Disrupt those conditions and it collapses.

It all depends on the masses of hot air and cold air that are colliding.

[uqote]This is not a hammerhead bludgeon type solution which would require vast amounts of energy but one that requires disruption at delicate points of the flow.Critical points of the flow.Just like a small current passed into a transistor or relay can control a much larger one.[/quote]

Don't quit your day job.

The amount of damage every year is not as great as you want to think, or that the media portrays.

After much thought it occurs to me that pulsed lasers would be the best method.Or sonic disruptors using horn loudspeakers.[/QUOTE]

 

[Amaris]

Explosives? Electric charges? Wow. Just wow.

J., Avid Stormchaser

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You could build a device shaped like a tornado and have it so it spins and creates wind, this device will be mobile and will be planted in the path of the tornado and shackled to the ground. It will be made to spin in the opposite direction to the tornado so as it passes over the top of the device the spinning device will cancel out the spin of the tornado.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I love the smell of bad physics in the morning. Even when it's dinner time.

 

[John Picard]

You could build a device shaped like a tornado and have it so it spins and creates wind, this device will be mobile and will be planted in the path of the tornado and shackled to the ground. It will be made to spin in the opposite direction to the tornado so as it passes over the top of the device the spinning device will cancel out the spin of the tornado.

Too bad the path of a tornado is damned near impossible to predict.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You could build a device shaped like a tornado and have it so it spins and creates wind, this device will be mobile and will be planted in the path of the tornado and shackled to the ground. It will be made to spin in the opposite direction to the tornado so as it passes over the top of the device the spinning device will cancel out the spin of the tornado.

Too bad the path of a tornado is damned near impossible to predict.

That's why you follow it.

 

[John Picard]

You could build a device shaped like a tornado and have it so it spins and creates wind, this device will be mobile and will be planted in the path of the tornado and shackled to the ground. It will be made to spin in the opposite direction to the tornado so as it passes over the top of the device the spinning device will cancel out the spin of the tornado.

Too bad the path of a tornado is damned near impossible to predict.

That's why you follow it.

OK, so you follow it. Then what? Sorry, but this isn't the movies where a car can speed close/around a tornado and intercept. Please, just stop

 

[All Seeing Eye]

It's remote controlled and then deploys in front of target.

 

[John Picard]

Hopefully, this will educate you people. Note that fewer than 100 people are killed each year. Stop being so melodramatic.

Tornado hunters roam the Plains

A convoy of more than 40 cars and trucks carrying more than 80 scientists and crewmembers will travel across the Great Plains from now to June 13, searching for tornadoes. The tornado hunters are part of VORTEX2, the largest-ever research project aimed at finding out more about what causes these killer storms — and how to give people earlier and more accurate warnings, says Karen Kosiba, a senior research meteorologist with the Center for Severe Weather Research, in Boulder, Colo.
On average, about 1,000 tornadoes form in the USA each year, killing about 60 people, according to the federal Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla.

Note that this next section, based on FACT (*cough*Tachyon Shield *cough*)

Tornado warnings average 13 minutes of lead time, and those come with a 70% false alarm rate, according to VORTEX2 planning documents. The researchers want to know whether warning times can be more accurate and whether warnings could be issued a half-hour or more before the storm strikes, Kosiba says.

 

[noknowes]

Hopefully, this will educate you people. Note that fewer than 100 people are killed each year. Stop being so melodramatic.

Tornado hunters roam the Plains

A convoy of more than 40 cars and trucks carrying more than 80 scientists and crewmembers will travel across the Great Plains from now to June 13, searching for tornadoes. The tornado hunters are part of VORTEX2, the largest-ever research project aimed at finding out more about what causes these killer storms — and how to give people earlier and more accurate warnings, says Karen Kosiba, a senior research meteorologist with the Center for Severe Weather Research, in Boulder, Colo.
On average, about 1,000 tornadoes form in the USA each year, killing about 60 people, according to the federal Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla.

Note that this next section, based on FACT (*cough*Tachyon Shield *cough*)

Tornado warnings average 13 minutes of lead time, and those come with a 70% false alarm rate, according to VORTEX2 planning documents. The researchers want to know whether warning times can be more accurate and whether warnings could be issued a half-hour or more before the storm strikes, Kosiba says.

What is the point of warnings?
Your house/town will be destroyed.Without money you will be good as dead.Living in a cardboard box is a living death.

I suggest the figure of 100 dead is not relevant but the cost of damage is.

We could easily fire abrams tank shells into critical points or use artillary to destablize it.

 

[miraclefan]

AH, another reason why I love to come on the TREKBBS!

 

[Amaris]

You guys have to be kidding me. You're treating this tornado as a solid, predictable object. It's neither. Artillery, lasers, explosions, electrical charges, these things would have zero effect on a tornado. You can't "cancel it out", as it doesn't have anything to cancel.


J., Avid Stormchaser Increasingly Annoyed By Illogical, Town Killing Strategies