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Data vs Quark’s dabo wheel?

Lyon_Wonder

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Could Data beat Quark at dabo? We know he can clean out 19th century humans at poker. Maybe he would have a better chance than a genetically-enhanced Dr Bashir. Then again, Quark may have safeguards bult-in.
 
Could Data beat Quark at dabo? We know he can clean out 19th century humans at poker. Maybe he would have a better chance than a genetically-enhanced Dr Bashir. Then again, Quark may have safeguards bult-in.


Yah its called a rigged dabo wheel.

If it was a fair game, Data could win. But knowing Quark, it wouldn't be. Data doesn't stand a chance.
 
I understand Jadzia Dax won at dabo, so I'd bet on Data matching that.

Dabo always struck me as a mix between roulette and blackjack. Both games have an element of chance, and Data really can't control a random number generator.

What about this for a question: Nevermind chess, how good would data be at backgammon? It wouldn't matter how intelligent and well programmed he was if he kept randomly getting crap rolls and his opponent kept getting lucky rolls.
 
I understand Jadzia Dax won at dabo, so I'd bet on Data matching that.

Dabo always struck me as a mix between roulette and blackjack. Both games have an element of chance, and Data really can't control a random number generator.

What about this for a question: Nevermind chess, how good would data be at backgammon? It wouldn't matter how intelligent and well programmed he was if he kept randomly getting crap rolls and his opponent kept getting lucky rolls.


Except I believe there is no such thing as a truly "random" number generator. They all use equations so complex that no human being should be able to figure out, from the numbers generated, what the generative formula is. Data might just be able to do it.
 
I understand Jadzia Dax won at dabo, so I'd bet on Data matching that.

Dabo always struck me as a mix between roulette and blackjack. Both games have an element of chance, and Data really can't control a random number generator.

What about this for a question: Nevermind chess, how good would data be at backgammon? It wouldn't matter how intelligent and well programmed he was if he kept randomly getting crap rolls and his opponent kept getting lucky rolls.


Except I believe there is no such thing as a truly "random" number generator. They all use equations so complex that no human being should be able to figure out, from the numbers generated, what the generative formula is. Data might just be able to do it.

If Data were to throw a pair of dice in such a sophisticated manner that he could determine the outcome, then that would be cheating. Geordi can't use his visor to look at other people's poker cards either. Just because he is capable of doing it, doesn't make it acceptable.

And actually, now that I think of poker, I never got the impression that Data won more or less than anyone else while playing. He wasn't allowed to stack the deck, and as such had to deal with the cards that were randomly dealt him. Riker was always implied to be King of the poker table. Quark would probably rob Data blind at the dabo wheel.
 
If Data were to throw a pair of dice in such a sophisticated manner that he could determine the outcome, then that would be cheating. Geordi can't use his visor to look at other people's poker cards either. Just because he is capable of doing it, doesn't make it acceptable.

And actually, now that I think of poker, I never got the impression that Data won more or less than anyone else while playing. He wasn't allowed to stack the deck, and as such had to deal with the cards that were randomly dealt him. Riker was always implied to be King of the poker table. Quark would probably rob Data blind at the dabo wheel.

Yet he didn't hold back on his abilities in the 19th century to get money when he really needed it. He came in "pyjamas"and left as a rich android.
Also didn't he "fix" a pair of dice in "The Royal" to achieve as similar goal?
And I think he would be able to detect foul play on Quarks part if he played long enough. Statistics tend to even out in the long run. If you throw a dice often enough you should roughly get the same amount of sixes as ones. The same should be true for a dabo table. As soon as Data becomes suspicious he would know where to look for signs of cheating and counter them.
 
^Data was able to recognise a pattern in the android version of Julianna Tainer's blinking. I'm sure he'd notice if a Dabo table was rigged.

Data was not as successful at poker as he could have been because he often failed to understand the more emotional side to it. Riker did not always make the logical move and Data could not understand that. Remember, Sirna Kolrami wrote Riker off as a strategist because he lost so easily at Strategema, but was forced to change his mind later under real conditions. Between the two of them, Riker and Data would, however clean up.

Given sufficient time to study the game and a fair table, Data would probably do as well as a top professional poker player does. He wouldn't win big every time, but he'd come out ahead more often than he didn't.

Remember, also, that Data is not unbeatable at games of strategy, which is what Dabo appears to be - he lost to Sirna Kolrami at Strategema and to Troi at Chess - which is one of Star Trek's most ridiculous notions ever. Spock realised something was wrong with the Enterprise's computer when he beat it at Chess. If Spock can't beat a 23rd century computer, there's no way Troi can beat Data.
 
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