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BEN 10: ALIEN FORCE -- DCAU fans take note!

Christopher

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This weekend saw the premiere of Cartoon Network's new show Ben 10: Alien Force, both on the network itself and at a panel at the New York Comic-Con. For those not in the know, Ben 10 is a successful CN series about Ben Tennyson, a 10-year-old boy who comes into possession of the Omnitrix, a watch-like alien device that lets him transform into any of ten different superpowered aliens, and who uses it to fight crime and alien invasions, alongside his same-aged cousin Gwen (who later gains magical spellcasting powers) and their Grandpa Max (who turns out to be a member of the Plumbers, a Men in Black-type secret agency defending Earth against aliens). It was a moderately entertaining show at best, notable for its comic-book-like continuity (and a heavy Jack Kirby influence in its art style, if you like that sort of thing), but definitely geared toward younger viewers.

After four 13-episode seasons, an animated movie, and even a live-action sequel movie (which astonishingly is in canon), the executives in charge of the show decided to do something different, so they created this sequel series. Ben and Gwen are now five years older, and the show is more mature and sophisticated as well. To tackle this new direction, CN brought in veterans from the DC Animated Universe and other DC-based shows. The producer of Alien Force is Glen Murakami, best known as the producer of Teen Titans, but also a veteran of The New Batman/Superman Adventures and Batman Beyond. The story editor (head writer) is Dwayne McDuffie, who created the well-regarded Static Shock and was the head writer for Justice League Unlimited, scripting virtually every episode of its acclaimed Cadmus arc. There are plenty of other DC/WB veterans in the production staff as well (even though technically it's from Cartoon Network Studios and not WB Television Animation), including directors Dan Riba and Butch Lukic, voice director Andrea Romano, and composers Kristopher Carter, Michael McCuistion, and Lolita Ritmanis, the trio of Shirley Walker proteges who have worked on all the DCAU shows as well as Legion of Super Heroes and the new Spectacular Spider-Man.

So far I've only seen the hourlong pilot, but I'm very impressed by it. McDuffie's writing is great, with good character interplay and emotion and some excellent one-liners. The characters are more mature, less annoyingly kid-like, but still youthful. And the new series has an even stronger story arc than the original, with the pilot setting up a number of mysteries to be explored over the course of the two planned 13-episode seasons. And it has a good look and feel to it, evocative of past WB/DC shows in visuals, music, and voices.

Speaking of voices, Ben (played in the original by the ubiquitous Tara Strong) is now Yuri Lowenthal, formerly Superman in Legion of Super Heroes. He's able to use a "younger" voice for Ben, and he's better suited for it than he was for Superman. And there were times when he managed to capture the rhythms of Strong's characterization pretty well. Gwen (originally Meagan Smith) is now Ashley Johnson (Teen Titans' Terra), who does a very nice job. Kevin Levin (originally Ben's archnemesis "Kevin Eleven," now a reluctant ally/antihero) is voiced by Greg Cipes, who I thought was excellent as Beast Boy on TT, and who does a very different voice here. (Michael Reisz and then Charlie Schlatter played the younger Kevin.) Grandpa Max is still Paul Eiding as in the original. As for the aliens Ben turns into, in the original show they were played by a variety of actors, but in this show they're all Dee Bradley Baker, a rising talent who's well-regarded for his versatility (and who did three of Ben's Omnitrix aliens in the original).

The show airs Saturdays at 10 AM, which unfortunately puts it opposite Spectacular Spider-Man. But it should probably be rerun sometime during the week (for instance, the premiere was rerun Sunday at 11 AM, although with a glitch that skipped over several minutes in the first half; fortunately I caught the showing at Comic-Con). It's worth checking out, especially for people who miss JLU and other DC shows. And of course for people who were fans of Ben 10 before, although this show is definitely not just for them.
 
Sounds very interesting. As my General Beastboy avatar may give away, I'm a big fan of the Teen Titans show and DCAU.

I've not seen anything Ben-10 related aside from commercials, it came on air after I went back to not having a TV again. (Which means everything I watch is on DVD right now.) Anyway, sounds good, good to hear the old talent is still buisy.
 
I liked it (I also liked the original series). What I want to know is, why are Ben & Gwen's eyes now emerald green instead of gold the way they used to be?

Sharr
 
Their eyes have always been green.

My son introduced me to this show. At first, it played like a second rate Dial H For HERO and I thought that Ben's smart ass preteen attitude was layed on a little thick. My mom would have put him in the ground several times over with an attitude like that. But once they started going into the history of the Plumbers, the origin of the Omnitrix, and other cool elements, the show got much better.

I really liked Alien Force. Echo Echo is already my favorite alien hero. I can't wait until they answer some of the questions established in the premire like whay did Ben remove the Omnitrix? What kind of troube did he go to removing it? Why did the Plumbers reform and how did they become a multi species force? And, of course, what happened to Max? Looking forward to it.
 
My son introduced me to this show. At first, it played like a second rate Dial H For HERO and I thought that Ben's smart ass preteen attitude was layed on a little thick. My mom would have put him in the ground several times over with an attitude like that. But once they started going into the history of the Plumbers, the origin of the Omnitrix, and other cool elements, the show got much better.

I've only caught intermittent episodes, plus the movies. Now that Alien Force has caught my interest, I'd like to catch up on the rest of the series.

Echo Echo is already my favorite alien hero.

I find it... him... them kind of disturbing. Not that that's a bad thing. The panelists at Comic-Con (Sam Register, Tramm Wigsell, and Dwayne McDuffie) said that Murakami decided to move away from the "superhero" aspects of the original Ominitrix aliens and make them more alien (which is why their designs no longer carry through the colors of Ben's shirt, something they did in the original to make it clearer that they were all Ben, but found unnecessary). And it stands to reason that being alien would sometimes mean being offputting and bizarre. Echo Echo is certainly that.

I find it interesting that Ben is now calling out the name of each character after the transformation sequence, a very anime sort of thing to do. The Murakami influence again? Or maybe just a convenience for the audience. I find it odd, though -- it implies that the names of the aliens are programmed into the Omnitrix and revealed to Ben as he changes, rather than being his own coinages as the originals seemed to be. Also, he seems to get instant knowledge of the aliens' basic abilities and attacks rather than learning them as he goes; for instance, he wasn't at all surprised to learn that Swampfire could throw flames (which is done by igniting the methane generated by plant decay, according to the panelists).

I can't wait until they answer some of the questions established in the premire like whay did Ben remove the Omnitrix? What kind of troube did he go to removing it?

This was asked at the panel, and I believe they said that it would be addressed in later episodes.

Why did the Plumbers reform and how did they become a multi species force?

I wasn't aware they'd disbanded. They certainly seemed pretty active as of Race Against Time, the last entry in series canon prior to AF. And I didn't know they weren't previously a multispecies force.

The thing that surprised me, though, was that they used the Omnitrix hourglass emblem as their badge. As far as we know, Azmuth, its creator, had no connection to the Plumbers, so why would he have adopted their symbol? I suppose it's possible that it's the other way around, that the Plumbers adopted the Omnitrix emblem in honor of the famed hero Ben Tennyson. (However, the panelists said that by the end of AF, we would know "what the Omnitrix really is," suggesting that the Secrets of the Omnitrix movie didn't tell the whole story.)

And, of course, what happened to Max? Looking forward to it.

I noticed something that may be a clue, possibly a major spoiler:
In the teaser, when the "Half-Breed" alien speaks to its "Highbreed" master and reports that the Plumber Max Tennyson is causing them trouble, the voice of that henchbeing was recognizably done by Paul Eiding. So maybe that was Max in disguise -- although I don't know why Max in disguise would alert the bad guy to his own involvement. Maybe just to get them looking in the wrong place?



The eyes in that screencap look very green to me, just a slightly different shade. Here's a promotional image for comparison:

http://www.ben10toys.net/images/af-ben-logo_small.jpg

Anyway, AF is a different show with a different design style and color palette, so it doesn't surprise me that they've adjusted a few shades here and there. Gwen's hair is definitely darker, for one thing.
 
I was a fan of the original Ben 10 series. So far I am enjoying AF. I do have one complaint. Some of the scenes were in almost AVP:R levels of darkness. If you are going to have all these neat new designs and visuals, we need to be able to SEE them. Otherwise, this was quite enjoyable.

My questions:

1. How the heck did Kevin get out of the Null Void? I almost get the impression that Gwen let him out. It would help to explain their behavior towards each other?

2. If Kevin is free, does that mean Vilgax is too? For that matter, how did Vilgax get out of the void for Secret of the Omnitrix?

3. Why is Kevin no longer monstrous? I suppose this could be a nod to the "Ken 10" episode of the original series.

I quess we will just have to wait and see.
 
1. How the heck did Kevin get out of the Null Void? I almost get the impression that Gwen let him out. It would help to explain their behavior towards each other?

I didn't see the attraction as reciprocal. Kevin was clearly crushing on Gwen, but she wasn't coming on to him, just being, well, female. Women in our culture tend to relate to friends and acquaintances in ways that men in our culture only do with people they're attracted to (touching, unbroken eye contact, etc.). So it's common for men, and particularly teenage boys, to mistake a woman's friendly or polite attention for attraction.

Besides, when Kevin objected to being called a lower life form by the villain, Gwen quipped, "While he may have a point, it's rude to say so." I think that makes it pretty clear that she doesn't have an especially high opinion of Kevin.

2. If Kevin is free, does that mean Vilgax is too? For that matter, how did Vilgax get out of the void for Secret of the Omnitrix?

At the panel, when asked about Vilgax, one of the producers said, and I quote, "Vilgax is dead." I'm not sure how serious he was, but he went on to say that the series would feature new villains. As for Kevin's escape from the null void, that might be one of the questions explored later on.

3. Why is Kevin no longer monstrous? I suppose this could be a nod to the "Ken 10" episode of the original series.

As I understand it, Kevin's monstrous appearance was the result of his absorption ability -- he absorbed the attributes of Ben's Omnitrix aliens. Presumably the absorbed attributes wear off eventually, as we saw with his transformation to metal here. Apparently Kevin's absorption abilities have advanced/evolved since he was 11.

As for the "Ben 10,000"/"Ken 10" future, the producers confirmed at Comic-Con that they represent only a potential future, as is so often the case with glimpses into the future in SF and comics ("Days of Future Past," "All Good Things...," etc.). We've already glimpsed a second possible future for Ben in Race Against Time. And presumably Alien Force will point toward a third.
 
I'm not a completely faithful watcher but I have seen and enjoyed a number of Ben 10 episodes and I thought Alien Force was nowhere near as charming. Future episodes might sway me but I didn't find the pilot all that compelling.
 
I was a fan of the original Ben 10 series. So far I am enjoying AF. I do have one complaint. Some of the scenes were in almost AVP:R levels of darkness. If you are going to have all these neat new designs and visuals, we need to be able to SEE them. Otherwise, this was quite enjoyable.


Though I enjoyed the premiere, I too didn't like the "dark for dark's sake" design. I can understand trying to be stylistically different from Ben 10, but don't go overboard. What's next? Shaky cam?

I also would like to point out the lack of originallity of the new alien heroes. They are retreads of previous heroes. Swampfire is just a cross between Heatblast and Wildvine. Humungosaur is just Fourarms minus two arms. And though I like Echo Echo, he's just Ditto with a little Upchuck mixed in (regurgitating sound instead of matter). I was hoping for a little more diverse and original heroes. I hope Spidermonkey, Goop and the others will be a little more creative.
 
I saw the promo for it while watching Spectacular Spider-Man but didn't watch it...it sounds interesting, I may have to watch the next episode.
 
Though I enjoyed the premiere, I too didn't like the "dark for dark's sake" design. I can understand trying to be stylistically different from Ben 10, but don't go overboard. What's next? Shaky cam?

I didn't find the look to be a problem. It's just that most of the story happened at night. Why not? They're teens now, they can stay up late. And the previews for the next episode seem to have a lot of daytime scenes.

Actually, though, they did say they were trying to evoke The X-Files and The Outer Limits, so yeah, they've added darker shades to the palette. It doesn't bother me, though.

I also would like to point out the lack of originallity of the new alien heroes. They are retreads of previous heroes. Swampfire is just a cross between Heatblast and Wildvine. Humungosaur is just Fourarms minus two arms. And though I like Echo Echo, he's just Ditto with a little Upchuck mixed in (regurgitating sound instead of matter). I was hoping for a little more diverse and original heroes. I hope Spidermonkey, Goop and the others will be a little more creative.

They talked about this at the panel. The fact is, there's really only a limited number of basic superpowers, so anything they did would've been derivative to some extent. They just tried to vary it up by combining powers in ways they found interesting (for instance, Swampfire's pyro abilities resulting from the methane produced by plant decay, and Echo Echo being an "amplifier" in terms of both sound and number).

I mean, let's face it, the original Omnitrix aliens weren't any less derivative. Heatblast? The Human Torch. Diamondhead? The Thing. Grey Matter? Ant-Man. Upgrade? Warlock. XLR8? The Flash (or Quicksilver, to keep with the Marvel theme). And so on. There are only so many powers to go around. It's execution that matters. For instance, Echo Echo may have superficial similarities to past Omnitrix aliens, but none of Ben's old "heroes" was anywhere near as strange or creepy.

And Humongosaur isn't like Fourarms, since Fourarms can't grow. I guess he's more like Way Big, except not quite as big and more flexible in size.
 
Not DCAU, but more, DCCU (to coin an initiallism), Ben 10 was created by "Man of Action" which is the name for the group of creators that include Duncan Rouleau, Joe Casey, Joe Kelly, and Steven T. Seagle. Joe Kelly, Joe Casey, and Steven T. Seagle each wrote a Superman title at some point from 1999 to 2004 (I think Joe Kelly wrote Action consistently during that time, Joe Casey worked from 2001 to 2004, and Steven T. Seagle from 2003 to 2004). Duncan Rouleau is an artist who did some fill-in issue for Action Comics during that time and he's currently working on Metal Men, which he is also writing.

I liked the premiere, but more importantly, my 4 year old son loved it. I thought Kevin's powers were an homage to Amazing Man (or, I guess the Absorbing Man at Marvel). Interesting that the creators made Gwen's powers into energy manipulation, instead of magic, which the original experience used to explain them.

I also keep thinking about Max's message to Ben. Was his comment about having the Omnitrix a coded way of getting Ben to pull the watch out of mothballs (at least figurately) or is there more to it? And I agree that I think that was Max at the end, undercover.
 
Interesting that the creators made Gwen's powers into energy manipulation, instead of magic, which the original experience used to explain them.

I assumed she was still using magic, but had just advanced to the point that she no longer needed to recite spells to do it. Although I have read a hint or two that there's more to Gwen's power than meets the eye. (And why are magic spells always in Latin? Are we supposed to believe that ancient Romans kept causing supernatural things to happen in the course of everyday conversation? But I digress.)

And I agree that I think that was Max at the end, undercover.

No, it was the alien at the beginning who had Paul Eiding's (and thus possibly Max's) voice. I'm pretty certain the alien at the end had a different voice; it might've been Dee Bradley Baker again.
 
Originally Posted by shivkala
Interesting that the creators made Gwen's powers into energy manipulation, instead of magic, which the original experience used to explain them.
It was magic, that's how she was able to find the ship with the DNAliens by using some sort of tracking spell by linking the lance to who used to own it. We're supposed figure (and Ben even said it) that Gwen's gotten better at using her power.

Sharr
 
This week: "Everyone Talks About the Weather" (nice title), written by Dwayne McDuffie, directed by Dan Riba. Another strong, well-written episode with a lot of revelations. Alien hybrids on Earth are common? Kevin suggests that Gwen is one of them, and that's the real source of her power? Interesting. We did see a human-alien wedding in one episode of the original series, so I guess there's precedent, but who knew it went so far back or was so common? And I guess any objections about the impossibility of interspecies breeding have to fall by the wayside in a universe where one person can absorb the DNA of ten, twenty, even 10,000 different aliens.

And how does Kevin know all this stuff about the Plumbers, alien hybrids, etc.? What has he been doing for the past five years?

So far, they're taking their time introducing us to all of Ben's new contingent of other selves. We got two aliens this week, only one of whom, Jetray, is new, although Swampfire reveals some new abilities such as the power to control other plants. So after three episodes, we know four of his ten.

I doubt that Allen is the last of the part-alien kids we'll meet. As I mentioned above, I'd heard before that the idea for this show involved Ben leading a team of younger kids with Omnitrix abilities. Maybe Allen is the first of that team.
 
Huh, thanks for the info, Christopher. I hadn't heard anything about a new Ben 10 series. I watched most of season 1 but that was it. Might have to tune in given all these DCAU connections.
 
Ben 10: Alien Force could otherwise be called Ben 10: Shippuden. The time skip element was a gamble, but more of a gamble would the change in a genre from youthful bang-pow-yippee format to a slightly more mature zoom-zap-accelerate format. Ben 10: Shippuden might be too mature for its intended audience. Another 5 year jump and we might be facing a Ben 10: Plumber League scenario. But perhaps on second thought that might not be too bad. :techman:
 
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