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Spoilers Are Anakin and Darth Vader really the same person?

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Or is Vader just a split personality, created when Anakin joined the Sith? Making his fall something like a demonic possession.

Really wondering, now that the Obi Wan Season finale brought the issue to the foreground again.
 
Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are one and the same. Darth Vader is just a title he had received, when he agreed to become a Sith Lord, acting as Palpatine's apprentice and enforcer. Sheev Palpatine and Darth Sidious are one and the same. Count Dooku and Darth Tyrannus are one and the same. I don't know if Maull had an actual name or if Mau was his genuine name.
 
Maul has a sibling, who is also sith, called Savage Opress.

Savage may be a rank like Darth, or it's his christian name and the family name is Opress?
 
Maul has a sibling, who is also sith, called Savage Opress.

Savage may be a rank like Darth, or it's his christian name and the family name is Opress?

Iirc Savage Opress wasn't a sith name but a dathomirian one and he wasn't a Sith. At least until he joined his brother.
 
Vader makes it pretty clear that HE "killed" Anakin (therefore giving Ben's line in ANH a little more truthfullness). Vader, the cybernetic enhanced sith lord, crushed whatever humanity, whatever love he had into the burning anger of a Sith.

Savage Opress and Maul were both Dathomir Zabraks raised to the Sith by Sidious and Dooku respectively (TCW). They were not biologically brothers AFAIK.
 
Vader makes it pretty clear that HE "killed" Anakin (therefore giving Ben's line in ANH a little more truthfullness). Vader, the cybernetic enhanced sith lord, crushed whatever humanity, whatever love he had into the burning anger of a Sith.

Savage Opress and Maul were both Dathomir Zabraks raised to the Sith by Sidious and Dooku respectively (TCW). They were not biologically brothers AFAIK.

He thinks he accidentally killed his pregnant wife, before his best friend castrated him.

Dude is going to have a mess of regular neuroses, before the magic bugs living in his blood, who are also his father, start talking to him about destroying the weak.
 
In both Obi-Wan and Rebels, Vader says he killed Anakin.

Vader is Anakin, he is just trying to disassociate himself from his previous life, he wants to be his own person. In the new canon he even gave up command of the 501st because of its connection to Anakin.
 
Wasn't that just Palpatine using Vader's voice to manipulate Kylo Ren?
True, it was Palpatine telling Kylo Ren "I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head."
Likely how Kylo got the notion of emulating Vader and worshipping his halfway-melted mask while ignoring the fact that Vader himself turned back to the light.

Kylo's similar lines of dialog, "Your son is gone; he was weak and foolish like his father, so I destroyed him" in TFA and "Your son is dead" in TROS struck me more as him trying to convince himself, as he didn't seem nearly as "far gone" or as formidable as Vader had been.

As for the question of the thread. The Dark Side is such a corrupting and consuming influence that someone who fully embraces it may as well be a different person.

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Yeah, it always feels like the Jedi stick to such a strict code because the Dark Side will literally warp their mind like a bad drug if they let it in.
 
Whatever name he goes by - Vader or Anakin - they are both the same person. The names are just symbols. Metaphors. "Anakin" is the part of him that is kind, forthright, generous and loyal. That part of him was always within him. "Vader" is the part of him that is fearful, selfish, possessive, and wrathful. That part of him was always within him too.

Basically it's the Two Wolves fable, and Vader was the wolf he fed the most. The names don't really matter, so best not to take it too literally and think that this is anything like a split personality.

So are Vader and Anakin really the same person? Of course they are, and at the same time; of course they are not.
Yeah, it always feels like the Jedi stick to such a strict code because the Dark Side will literally warp their mind like a bad drug if they let it in.
The 'Dark Disciple' novel gets into this a bit, but yes. It's essentially a snare. A trap. It promises everything a person wants, but the deeper they go, the more it consumes them.
Where the Jedi failed isn't in the code itself, it was in following it so dogmatically without really considering why it is what it is. Taking for granted that: "you do this, then you're light side and therefore good, and being good then everything you do is by definition of the light side."

The Nightsisters deliberately ride the edge of it, knowing full well it's dangers, it's deceptive and seductive nature. I think they mostly get away with is because of the very nature of Dathomir; it's steeped in the dark side to such an extent that it's become part of the natural balance of the place, dark and light both. This seems to line up with the fact that once they leave their homeworld, Dathomirians and especially the Nightsisters do seem to have a tendency to be consumed by it, or at the very least struggle to find equilibrium. While on the flip side, outsiders find the place deeply unsettling.
 
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The stuff about Vader killing Anakin isn't literal, it's just his way of saying that he's so completely given himself over the Dark Side, and turned away from what Anakin that he's a metaphorically a different person now.
 
Because he's easily compartmentalized.

I disagree. I think a lot of fans would prefer compartmentalizing him, instead of accepting him for the complex character that he truly is. The world first saw Anakin Skywalker as this ruthless and one-dimensional villain in a black suit. And I sometimes wonder if they find it difficult to view him and the nine-year-old slave boy from Tatooine as one and the same. It's interesting that fans rarely call Count Dooku by his Sith name - Darth Tyrannus - even when he is behaving like a Sith.
 
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