Amy's timeline

[Butters]

In the wedding of River Song, where River has a glass of wine with her grieving mummy. Where is she? Chronologically?

The Amy that sees the doctor die then goes on adventure to the USA then gets captured by the silence, gives birth, files for divorce and writes children's books. Can't see where thus scene fits anywhere.

 

[PorthosShadow]

In the wedding of River Song, where River has a glass of wine with her grieving mummy. Where is she? Chronologically?

The Amy that sees the doctor die then goes on adventure to the USA then gets captured by the silence, gives birth, files for divorce and writes children's books. Can't see where thus scene fits anywhere.

Amy asks her the same question and River replies that she just climbed out of The Byzantium (The Time Of The Angels)

 

[Butters]

In the wedding of River Song, where River has a glass of wine with her grieving mummy. Where is she? Chronologically?

The Amy that sees the doctor die then goes on adventure to the USA then gets captured by the silence, gives birth, files for divorce and writes children's books. Can't see where thus scene fits anywhere.

Amy asks her the same question and River replies that she just climbed out of The Byzantium (The Time Of The Angels)

That's River's time line.

Amy goes full term with melody on the same trip with the doctor immefiately after seeing his death. But in that garden scene she speaks as she'll never see him again, though realises that river will.

The scene is incongruous with the events of Amy's time line.

 

[PorthosShadow]

In the wedding of River Song, where River has a glass of wine with her grieving mummy. Where is she? Chronologically?

The Amy that sees the doctor die then goes on adventure to the USA then gets captured by the silence, gives birth, files for divorce and writes children's books. Can't see where thus scene fits anywhere.

Amy asks her the same question and River replies that she just climbed out of The Byzantium (The Time Of The Angels)

That's River's time line.

Amy goes full term with melody on the same trip with the doctor immediately after seeing his death. But in that garden scene she speaks as she'll never see him again, though realizes that river will.

The scene is incongruous with the events of Amy's time line.

It's not actually, these are two people who's experiences are from two different timelines. In this scene, Amy is the Amy from "Day Of The Moon" to post "The Wedding Of River Song" so she been through all of those experiences. The River in this scene the River post "Time Of The Angels" and not afterwards.

 

[Butters]

Amy asks her the same question and River replies that she just climbed out of The Byzantium (The Time Of The Angels)

That's River's time line.

Amy goes full term with melody on the same trip with the doctor immediately after seeing his death. But in that garden scene she speaks as she'll never see him again, though realizes that river will.

The scene is incongruous with the events of Amy's time line.

It's not actually, these are two people who's experiences are from two different timelines. In this scene, Amy is the Amy from "Day Of The Moon" to post "The Wedding Of River Song" so she been through all of those experiences. The River in this scene the River post "Time Of The Angels" and not afterwards.

Not sure that you follow me. The Amy from day of the moon and Amy from wedding of river song are the same Amy. They watch the doctor seemingly die, light his pyre then go to the diner, where they meet the doctor, go to the oval office, she's kidnapped by the silence and gives birth. The only time this scene could have happened is between demons run and let's kill Hitler. By which point, the doctor dying two hundred years in his own future plays second fiddle to finding her baby.

River is her daughter I know, but not her baby. Don't buy that she gave up on melody at all either.

 

[Mr Soak]

After the Doctor drops Amy and Rory off at the end of The God Complex. They still think he goes and dies at Lake Silencio.

Amy and Rory essentially just cameo in the next episode (Closing Time) and don't meet the Doctor. Through the bulk of The Wedding of River Song, the Amy and Rory we see are the alternate timeline versions, who are erased when the Doctor convinces River to shoot him/the Tesselecta (although the memories are retained. Amy remembers shooting Madame Kovarian later, in the garden.)

River tells Amy in the garden that the Doctor survived, and when the Doctor turns up unannounced for Christmas dinner at the end of The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe, she (and Rory) already know he survived.

Is that what you meant?

 

[Iamnotspock]

It takes place exactly when we see it within the narrative - Amy's timeline is presented in a pretty linear fashion. What is confusing is why, at that point, Amy now remembers the '5:02' timeline just because the audience has now seen it. It suggests the possibility that the Doctor and River did alter the original timeline somehow when they negated the alternate reality.

1. 1996; Amelia Pond meets the Doctor at the age of 7. He promises to be back in five minutes.

2. 2008; Amy Pond meets the Doctor again and they have their encounter with Prisoner Zero and the Atraxi.

3. 2010; the Doctor returns and Amy joins him on his travels. Amy marries Rory on June 26th; the universe is rebooted and Amy and Rory conceive Melody/River aboard the TARDIS.

4. Amy and Rory enjoy a multi-legged honeymoon, visiting the honeymoon planet and taking a trip on the starliner.

5. Between "A Christmas Carol" and Series 6, Amy and Rory return to Earth, before being invited to watch the Doctor's apparent death. Pregnant Amy is captured by the Kovarian Chapter of the Silence and replaced with a Flesh avatar.

6. The Flesh Amy and Rory travel in the TARDIS from "The Impossible Astronaut" to "The Almost People". They witness the future Doctor appear to die at Lake Silencio, but cannot reveal the happening to 'their' Doctor. The real Amy later gives birth on Demon's Run, but the baby is taken by Kovarian.

7. Amy and Rory go back to Earth while the Doctor tries to track down Melody. Amy and Rory travel to 1938 with the Doctor and Mels, learning along the way that Mels is Melody/River.

8. Amy and Rory travel with the Doctor from "Night Terrors" to "The God Complex", before the Doctor 'saves' them by taking them home for good, buying them a house and a car and telling them to get on with their lives. Amy believes that this is the last time she'll ever see him, as she assumes that the Doctor will not visit them again before he meets his destiny at Lake Silencio.

9. Amy becomes a model, and the face of Petrichor. She experiences memories of the alternate timeline created when River refused to kill the Doctor at Silencio. River comes to her with news that the Doctor did not die at the Lake, and Amy is ecstatic to realise that she will probably see him again.

10. Two years pass for the Ponds before the Doctor turns up on their doorstep for Christmas dinner. For the Doctor, over two hundred years have passed.

11. Amy and Rory break up and almost divorce before reconciling. They travel in the TARDIS sporadically for a while before rejoining full-time.

12. The Weeping Angels send Rory and Amy back in time, and because 'time' says that their paths never cross with the Doctor's again, the Doctor has to abide by this, lest the temporal anomalies tear New York apart (as they're centred there - so even if the Doctor were to simply arrange to meet them in Singapore, New York would still burn; what matters is that the Doctor never seeing the Ponds again has become a fixed point in time, and geographical location has no bearing).

13. Amy and Rory live out the rest of their lives in 20th Century New York, eventually dying in their eighties. Amy became a children's author under her married name, Amelia Williams, penning Summer Falls (a favourite of Clara Oswald and containing a character called 'the Curator'...).

 

[Mr Soak]

After the Doctor drops Amy and Rory off at the end of The God Complex. They still think he goes and dies at Lake Silencio.

Amy and Rory essentially just cameo in the next episode (Closing Time) and don't meet the Doctor. Throught the bulk of The Wedding of River Song, the Amy and Rory we see are the alternate timeline versions, who are erased when the Doctor convinces River to shoot him/the Tesselecta (although the memories are retained. Amy remembers shooting Madame Kovarian later, in the garden).

River tells Amy in the garden that the Doctor survived, and when the Doctor turns up unannounced for Christmas dinner at the end of The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe, she (and Rory) already know he survived.

Is that what you meant?

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Did they ever really explain the Doctor going back to see Amy before they meet again (Hinted in The Eleventh Hour)? I mean, it was kind of explained in their last episode, but wouldn't the foreknowledge of all her adventures screw things up?

Then again, maybe it's like Doc Brown at the end of Back To The Future, he 'knows' but presumaebly didn't tell Marty that they'd met before until after he returned from 1955. Or something like that. Or as River would say "Spoilers!"

 

[ClayinCA]

Did they ever really explain the Doctor going back to see Amy before they meet again (Hinted in The Eleventh Hour)? I mean, it was kind of explained in their last episode, but wouldn't the foreknowledge of all her adventures screw things up?

No, it's never been explained.

 

[RoJoHen]

But in that garden scene she speaks as she'll never see him again, though realises that river will.

The scene is incongruous with the events of Amy's time line.

The scene takes place after "The God Complex," which is pretty apparent since Amy and Rory are in their new house. As far as Amy is concerned, she won't see him again because he just went off to die at Lake Silencio.

That said, she knows that River will still be able to see the Doctor because she is traveling backwards along his timeline. So, yes, River will see him again, but she will see him on the adventures that Amy has already been on.

The only thing that's really weird about it is Amy's memory of the "Wedding" Alternate Timeline. Technically she should have gotten those memories in "The Impossible Astronaut" as soon as the Doctor "died," since that was the moment that broke the universe.

River is her daughter I know, but not her baby. Don't buy that she gave up on melody at all either.

She didn't give up. She just realized that there was nothing she could do. Melody was stolen and then she grew up. River Song is proof of that. There was no way for Amy to rescue her baby without creating an insane number of paradoxes.