"Mister Worf.....fire!....and Happy New Year."
A (potentially) unpopular opinion
- Thread starter jctechwizard
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Exactly! Thank you!
Oooh, good point.
Who decides that? Now we pick and choose what actually happened in TAS? Seems a bit slippery slope to me.
Considering we've gone from 'none of it is canon' to 'some of it is definitely canon', I would've thought you'd appreciate where this particular slippery slope is leading.
I do not like arbitrary rules. There is a reason why I take the property holder's opinion because that's the authority that sets it.
I live under the laws of Doctor Who. Canon is whatever I want it to be.
A sensible philosophy.
You can tell me that all you like, but where in the episode(s) does it state the year each takes place. It has been a while since I've seen BOBW however.
It's all canon, just not exactly as depicted.
That's how Roddenberry described TOS in his TMP novelization. Works for TAS, too.
A stardate and year are given in "The Neutral Zone" 41986.0, (2364). all TNG era years are derived from that.
What was the reference to the animated series in Picard?
During Picard’s visit, Riker mentions they’ve been having trouble with the Kzinti. That’s the first-ever mention of them in live action.
Yep..........That works great for The Neutral Zone. Still don't state in diologue in BOBW what year they occured in.
They left it purposely ambiguous so people would talk about its canon value 35 years after the fact.
And to drop the mike and walk away Carbon Creek ( 2nd ep in s2) states T'Pol has been on the Enterprise for a year. According to those that suscribe to the a year in universe starts at the begining of the season and ends with the first part of the seasons two parter, this would make Carbon Creek occur in December, suposing that Broken Bow occurs in January ?????
The NX-01 launched in April, so I guess Carbon Creek is also April.
"a year in universe" doesn't necessarily mean Jan-Dec. As @Ray Hardgrit pointed out, the year she's referring to is April to April. And Enterprise didn't use stardates, so when it's seasons start and end is irrelevant to TOS and other series.
But if we're going to bring in other series for comparison:
Voyager started on 48315.6 (Caretaker). Season 2's Cold Fire (49164.8) is explicitly said to be 10 months later. nowhere is it stated that voyager disappeared on Jan 1, 2371. More likely march something, putting Cold Fire around Jan 2372.
On my Star Trek Chronology, I have Voyager getting lost in the Delta Quadrant in June 2371, shortly after Harry Kim graduates Starfleet Academy in May.* Therefore, "Projections" takes place in December 2371 (based on the Doctor saying he's spent the past six months on the ship), "Non Sequitur" takes place in late January 2372 (based upon it being eight months since Harry graduated from the Academy), and "Cold Fire" takes place in early April 2372 (based upon it being ten months since Voyager was pulled into the Delta Quadrant).
*Since the 24th Century Trek shows have a fair amount of references to when various characters go to the Academy, I decided to assume that Starfleet Academy had the same academic year as the U.S. Naval Academy. And since 2371 has the same calendar as 2021, Harry Kim's graduation date from Starfleet Academy was on Friday, May 28th, 2371.
No longer an unpopular opinion: Direct proof that 1000 stardates = 1 Earth Year; end of discussions.
10 months = .83 of a year = 833 stardates if one year equals 1000 stardates. In the example above, ~849 stardates pass which is ~10 months 6 days which meets the 10 months statement.
