OMG I'm so conflicted about being human AND klingon!
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but klingons are about as interesting as kazon to me.
Jennifer Lien
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This is probably an unpopular opinion, but klingons are about as interesting as kazon to me.
DS9 had a lot of great recurring characters but nothing was taken away from the main characters, neither screentime nor money.And take away from the rest of the cast? Nonsense!
Problems? What problems? There were no problems until those in charge started to mess up everything between season 3 and 4.
The point is that there were never any hints about any difficulties. The "drug rumor" which spread after she was fired actually started about Wang but "spilled over" to Lien later on.
While she was a part of the cast, there were no rumors at all about her. If there had been any problems, they would have been revealed as soon as she was kicked out.
Just look at some other series. It was common knowledge that Shannen Doherty was a pain in the a** for almost everyone during her time on Beverly Hills and it also became common knowledge why Gary Dourdan had to leave CSI. But nothing about Lien, except for vague romors and speculation and the not so believable stories which were told by those in charge about why they had to kick her out.
I'm not particularly interested in the Klingons - there have been a lot of episodes about them and their culture isn't that interesting to me - but I love B'Elanna. I think Roxann Dawson did a really good job and that's why they gave her episodes like Remember and Muse, which really could have had any of the characters as the central character and they would have played out pretty much the same.
I wish Jennifer Lien all the best and it's really not my business what has happened in her personal life. I'm not saying this is what happened, but sometimes someone is having a really bad time and all their colleagues know about it but no one starts rumours about that person because they like that person.
I think the original TOS Klingons - cunning and devious- were fairly interesting. Not the flanderized, lobotomized, honor-obsessed Klingons we got from TNG onwards.
There's always the one in which she had a death wish.
There was depression and drugs, but it's always been said that the depression and drugs came after she was fired, and because she was fired. Anyone short of Jenifer herself changing the order of what happened when is rewriting history.
It could go either way. I know that Kate Mulgrew and Jennifer Lien were quite close, and the former resented the latter's dismissal.
Also, given how spectacularly stupid many of their decisions were, I wouldn't put anything past Voyager's showrunners.
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Humor. It's called humor.
You completely misunderstood what @BillJ said. He was referring to Lein's substance abuse problems, not any problems with the producers of the show. And they weren't 'rude.' Rude would be outright firing her the first time she showed up to work high.
If she ever actually did. It's all third-hand opinions, the cast and crew think she was having mental health issues and maybe drug related issues. They think. And they think maybe.
We don't know for a fact what Lien did or didn't do. But firing someone because they were maybe having mental health issues would be a heck of a lot worse than just rude.
It's worth noting that in all her subsequent legal trouble, none of it is for substance abuse.
We don't know for a fact what Lien did or didn't do. But firing someone because they were maybe having mental health issues would be a heck of a lot worse than just rude.
It's worth noting that in all her subsequent legal trouble, none of it is for substance abuse.
Sorry, I missed that.
Mostly, I detect irony and humor when I see it. This time I didn't. I apologize for that
I was referring to the rumored substance abuse as well. And as I wrote in the previous post as a reply to another poster:
The point is that there were never any hints about any difficulties. The "drug rumor" which spread after she was fired actually started about Wang but "spilled over" to Lien later on.
While she was a part of the cast, there were no rumors at all about her. If there had been any problems, they would have been revealed as soon as she was kicked out.
Just look at some other series. It was common knowledge that Shannen Doherty was a pain in the a** for almost everyone during her time on Beverly Hills and it also became common knowledge why Gary Dourdan had to leave CSI. But nothing about Lien, except for vague romors and speculation and the not so believable stories which were told by those in charge about why they had to kick her out.
You are correct here.
Beltran wasn’t a very good actor either. Or Wang. Lien was not the worst actor on the show. Her interactions with the Doctor were actually very good.Lien being on a TV show and not being a very good actor could have had SOMETHING to do with it.
Lien being on a TV show and not being a very good actor could have had SOMETHING to do with it.
I disagree, but I respect your right to your opinion. I wish there were more people with that ability.
I can't help thinking that they knew what they were going to do earlier on. Look at "Before and After". That is essentially a condensation of the remainder of Kes's life. Admittedly, they pulled a few things that probably wouldn't have worked at normal speed (Harry/Linnis), but overall... it seemed to me like they had decided not to take Kes through that life, so B&A was the next best thing.
QUOTE: Beltran wasn't a very good actor either. Neither was Wang.
I don't think they were incompetent, just underutilized.
There were just so many scenes where they completely emasculated and/or infantilized Harry. Like remember that awful scene where Seven comes on to him and he looks like he wanted to run to Janway and hide behind her back? Like I'm not saying he had to recuperate, but there could have been a lot ways for him to decline, including some that might have been funny, rather than making him look like a deer in the headlights. Plus, pretty sure they were buying into a stereotype there, as if the overbearing parents hadn't been enough.
Plus I don't get it...they supposedly kept Harry because some editor in a magazine decided his actor was sexy (and truth be told he is a handsome man when he's out of the Harry Kim persona) and then...they proceeded to make him as un-sexy as possible by basically having him turn into a man-child whenever they felt like it...like what?
With good enough character development they could have dome a lot to salvage the character.
And whatever the relationship between Kes and Seven would have been (personally I think it would have been a treasure throve of enjoyable television) it would have been less painful than Harry's interactions with Seven.
Lien being on a TV show and not being a very good actor could have had SOMETHING to do with it.
Have you even seen Warlord? She *rocked* that "Battle of the Minds" scene and did a really good job playing Kes possessed by that warlord guy (forgot his name) that episode alone showed her potential. And as others said there were weaker actors (or actors given weaker material, hard to tell) than her on the show.
Plus...if Star Trek fired every bad actor..
Perhaps there were some stronger and weaker actors, but all main cast members did some amazing episodes. In Harry's case. Timeless, for example. So I think everyone there could act decently, as long as they were given material that suited them well enough.
Then again, perhaps a key difference between an average actor and a great actor is that a great actor can also work with material that doesn't personally suit him that well?
Then again, perhaps a key difference between an average actor and a great actor is that a great actor can also work with material that doesn't personally suit him that well?
Without Ms. Lien being a member here and willing to discuss the issue, maybe this is a thread that should be put to bed? Because, honestly, all any of us is doing is guessing about something that happened almost 25 years ago.
Lien was an excellent actress and did a great job with porrtraying che character Kes.Lien being on a TV show and not being a very good actor could have had SOMETHING to do with it.
She really gave life to the character.
I wonder how much of this story will come out in the doco thing. It always seemed like a taboo with the cast and they’ve only ever talked in general terms about how they loved Jen etc.
I guess that telling the story puts Mulgrew’s bullying of Jeri Ryan in the spotlight too, which could be problematic.
I wonder as well if Lien has been approached to be in the doco. And if she has any interest in talking about it. I understand she hasn’t been well so maybe it’s of no interest to her.
I guess that telling the story puts Mulgrew’s bullying of Jeri Ryan in the spotlight too, which could be problematic.
I wonder as well if Lien has been approached to be in the doco. And if she has any interest in talking about it. I understand she hasn’t been well so maybe it’s of no interest to her.
