Worst. Episode. Ever. Poll. - Page 3

kes7 · November 3 2009, 07:45 PM

JonnyBoy wrote:

Sub Rosa. Easy choice.

This.

Gojirob · November 3 2009, 08:02 PM

Who Watches The Watchers, aka (Voice of Dexter from Dexter's Lab) Religion is sooo stoooooooopid!

Xerxes1979 · November 3 2009, 08:08 PM

Gojirob wrote:

Who Watches The Watchers, aka (Voice of Dexter from Dexter's Lab) Religion is sooo stoooooooopid!

Uh...that is one of the best episodes. Season three is a gold mine, I wouldn't normally expect to see any of its episodes on a worst list of any type.

Dark Journey · November 3 2009, 08:52 PM

suzzi wrote:

who told you that the writers were on strike....i mean who is the one who suggested this idea..

What do you mean "suggested the idea"? It is a well know fact there was a Hollywood writers strike at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_...y_(TNG_episode)

Cygnus · November 4 2009, 12:20 AM

Definitely Sub Rosa.

I don't know what was going on there, but that was one hell of a poor episode!

GhostFaceSaint · November 4 2009, 03:44 AM

I voted for Shades of Grey for its shear cheapness, though I agree that Code of Honor should be up there on the list too.

CaptainStoner · November 4 2009, 03:59 AM

I'll go with Code of Honor, although I find that whole trio of Naked Now, Code of Honor, The Last Outpost to be some of the worst. I don't include Shades of Grey since it was a non-episode. Sub-Rosa isn't anywhere nearly as odious. Emergence is both interesting and fun. I'll take bizarre and surreal over painfully bad any day.

Trek Survivor · November 4 2009, 01:32 PM

How could "Code Of Honour" - that loads of fans agree is utterly the worst episode ever - not be an option!?! I voted "Other" - for COH of course!

Shazam! · November 4 2009, 01:38 PM

Cygnus wrote:

Definitely Sub Rosa.

I don't know what was going on there, but that was one hell of a poor episode!

Shazam! wrote:

Sub Rose is nowhere near the worst episode primarily for the reason that an at-her-peak-of-hotness Gates McFadden sexes it up and wears a nightgown for the most of the episode.

cultcross · November 4 2009, 02:23 PM

^ Of course, she also gets off with a candle over her grandmother's sex diary. That should never be the summary of an episode of anything.

CaptainStoner · November 4 2009, 10:10 PM

I understand why many TNG fans didn't like Sub Rosa, but the main problem is one of tone. It's a creepy, romantic tale, definitely not one for your typical Borg fan. But not liking the style is not the same as an episode being of poor quality. The overall quality of Sub Rosa is not bad at all.
But to think its worse than, say, the premiere of the Ferengi in S1 as silly, TOS-grafted primitive space-monkey people, is too much a stretch for me. There are S1 episodes and moments that downright embarrassingly, laughing out loud, bad. Just plain bad. Michael Jackson moonwalking across the bridge bad. Sub-Rosa isn't that.

Myasishchev · November 4 2009, 10:12 PM

I liked "Last Outpost" too.

Even if it was a total ripoff of "Arena."

USS Bones · November 4 2009, 11:13 PM

Gojirob wrote:

Who Watches The Watchers, aka (Voice of Dexter from Dexter's Lab) Religion is sooo stoooooooopid!

One of my top 10.

DevilEyes · November 5 2009, 12:50 AM

CaptainStoner wrote:

I understand why many TNG fans didn't like Sub Rosa, but the main problem is one of tone. It's a creepy, romantic tale, definitely not one for your typical Borg fan. But not liking the style is not the same as an episode being of poor quality. The overall quality of Sub Rosa is not bad at all.
But to think its worse than, say, the premiere of the Ferengi in S1 as silly, TOS-grafted primitive space-monkey people, is too much a stretch for me. There are S1 episodes and moments that downright embarrassingly, laughing out loud, bad. Just plain bad. Michael Jackson moonwalking across the bridge bad. Sub-Rosa isn't that.

I think you're right. It didn't feel like Star Trek, but it would have been an OK Gothic romantic tale. People react so strongly to it because it felt out of place. It made me think "Weell, this is... very unusual and, um, certainly different

" rather than "this is embarrassingly awful

" as many season 1 episodes did.

I guess they should at least be given credit for doing something a bit different....

Hm, maybe I should forgive them for Masks for the same reason... if it weren't for the fact that in that case, I can't figure even out what the hell the episode was all about.

Dark Journey · November 5 2009, 02:10 AM

Re: Sub Rosa. Yes I generally find it difficult to dislike any episode that features Gates McFadden having an orgasm. The only thing I disliked was the Quint character. The writers were aware this was actually a 24th century colony of people from Scotland living in a quaint old fashioned way and not medieval Scotland right? So why have a character with a thick brogue running around talking about Ghosteses. That was just embarrassing.

Re: Masks. yeah I liked this episode a lot just for Spiner. The voices he did were really creepy and expressive. I think it is a shame he never got an Emmy for his performance as Data. The only thing wrong with this episode is you can make a drinking game out of the number of times Picard uses the phrase "ritualistic culture".

StarryEyed · November 6 2009, 12:14 AM

Rascals by a wide margin. I would rather suffer through a marathon of Masks, Sub-Rosa, Genesis and Emergence than put up with 10 minutes of this episode. It was a mockery of the crew of the Enterprise-D, making them all look like incompetent idiots.

Kai Winn · November 6 2009, 02:34 AM

darmok. there were worse ones, but the reviews made me believe it's great. what did i get? a funny looking alien with an aching back, talking gibberish, and waving a dagger. big dissapointment.

where'sSaavik? · November 7 2009, 05:55 AM

Kegg wrote:

I've got a sort of funny attitude towars Snodgrass, considering she wrote my most hated episode of Trek and my favourite episode of TNG ("The Measure of a Man", which, appropriately enough, explores the ethical quandry of its scenario a mite better), but one digresses.

Measure of a Man is one of the best TNG episodes, and best episodes of Trek overall. It's the one that actually changed my mind about Data, because up until then I essentially had the same attitude toward him as Pulaski did.

As for Up the Long Ladder, I'd say that the fact that we're still discussing the moral quandry she posed in that episode, that while it's not great Trek, it's far superior to the idiotic moral quandries posed in S1 episodes like Justice. And to be fair to Snodgrass, the analogy to abortion was my suggestion here, I don't know if that's the allegory she actually had in mind. In my mind privacy rights, and individual uniqueness are tied together (the latter being what Riker based his objections to when he explained terminating the clone after the fact). Whereas, I don't know if that same connection is there for everyone.

Kegg · November 7 2009, 12:22 PM

where'sSaavik? wrote:

As for Up the Long Ladder, I'd say that the fact that we're still discussing the moral quandry she posed in that episode, that while it's not great Trek, it's far superior to the idiotic moral quandries posed in S1 episodes like Justice.

1. We're still discussing it because we're Star Trek fans.

2. We still discuss the moral quandry of "Justice", also. Even the most poorly constructed moral dilemmas in Star Trek get hashed about by us, sometimes because they're not that well concieved.

Also, personally, I don't think "Justice" is a racist pile of crap, so it's a cut above in my book.

And to be fair to Snodgrass, the analogy to abortion was my suggestion here, I don't know if that's the allegory she actually had in mind.

She did say as much.

Melinda Snodgrass wrote:

"I got enormous flack from the right to life coalition because they destroyed the clones. They thought I was condoning abortion. In fact, I did put a line in Riker's mouth that was very pro-choice and the right to life coalition went crazy. He says I told you that you can't clone me and you did it against my will, and I have the right to have control over my own body. That's my feeling and it was soapbox, and it was one I got to get on. I was supported by Maurice all the way."

Posted on Memory Alpha, attributed to Captain's Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages.

As even she observes there, the line Riker says isn't that subtle and is intended to make the abortion analogy explicit.

FalTorPan · November 7 2009, 02:38 PM

I most disliked "Code of Honor," "Masks," and the one in which Beverly Crusher was in love with a "ghost" ("Sub Rosa?")