Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

I imagined Sharon would have a redemption arc in Cap4, and along the way, she develops a romance with Sam.

 

I watched The Amazing Spider-Man movies for the first time and thought they were… Amazing!

 

Darn it, you beat me to it...

But this confirms that Logan (or this Logan) didn't exist in Deadpool's world and DP has to get him from elsewhere

 

Please be as fun as it looks!

 

I have to question what exactly is Deadpool's world though since he seems to pick and choose from movies and featured Wolverine at the end of Deadpool 2.

 

Not sure if this is much (or anything) more than we already knew but it certainly seems on one interpretation of this story that Tom Holland is part of early creative discussions for a fourth Spider-Man film https://deadline.com/2024/04/tom-holland-spider-man-sands-film-festival-2024-1235891203/?

 

I never got the impression we were supposed to take the time travel stuff from the end of DP2 at all seriously... but now that I think about it does it mean that the first two Deadpool films are in the "original" X-Men timeline before Days of Future Past?

 

I got around to watching the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. With the exception of the villains and lots of fun cameos, I kind of hated them. The dialogue was cringe as was the acting. The editing was all over the place. Some scenes would just stop abruptly and the fade outs were weird. The final one was the most decent of the three.

I remember seeing the accompanying Nickelback music video a lot on tv when the first one came out so hearing that song felt nostalgic.

I’m glad I watched them though, because they have been on my list for a while.

*Ducks for cover from incoming mob*

 

I swear, most people claiming that the Raimi movies were great Spider-Man movies are saying so out of childhood/teenage nostalgia. And it's NOT a 'way of making movies back than'. So many movies from back then hold up way better. They just suck.

 

Yeah they have not aged that well.

 

Can I just gush about Amazing Spidey for a minute?

I loved Andrew Garfield as Peter. He was nice and not a timid little mouse. He had great comedic lines when he was out swinging around New York. The anger and pain he felt over Uncle Ben’s death was so difficult to watch.

He and Emma Stone had wonderful chemistry and I loved her as Gwen. Sally Field was a joy to watch. The scene where Peter is begging Aunt May to tell him about his parents and she refuses with such strong conviction. “You’re my boy.” It was SO. GOOD.

 

The Amazing movies weren't great -- well, the first was okay and the second pretty terrible -- but their versions of Peter/Spidey and Gwen were terrific. Of the three cinematic Spideys, Garfield is the one I felt was truest to the character.

 

Garfield's Peter was the worst.
He was a jerk and a bully, the farthest thing from the comics I have ever seen. And it's not Garfield's fault, since he's great elsewhere and I really like him as a person. He's almost Marvel's Henry Caville to me.
He won me over in "No Way Home", showing what he could have done with better writing for him.

There's a reason the Garfield movies ended faster than they started. It went from bad to worse and without changes behind the scenes, a third was destined to be a train wreck.

 

In the early comics, a lot of Peter's thought bubbles paint him as a misanthropic person who held others in contempt. And he's contemptuous of people in the ultimate comics too.

 

As someone who grew up on Spider-Man, I've always hated those films. I desperately wanted to at least like them but nope.

Leading up to No Way Home's release, I decided to finally give them another shot for the first time since I saw them in theaters to see perhaps I've been too harsh on them. But nope. Somewhere in the anticipation thread, I posted my reviews on them (and then inspired someone else to do the same...Allyn Gibson, I think) and my conclusions were pretty much the same, but with added emphasis on how terrible both Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst were in their roles.

I completely agree. I largely love his first film (his second...not at all) and a lot of that comes down to him and Stone. It's just a shame they were both let down by weak villains (but not because of the actors, rather the scripts).

 

I was in my thirties back then and I still like them a lot. A big part of what Raimi was doing was conjuring the spirit of the 60s and early 70s comics. This went as far as to produce panels from those comics for the screen. Yes, a lot of it comes across as campy but that was the intent. It's also why Spider-Man III fell so far off the rails--studio interference forced Raimi to introduce Venom from an era beyond what he was trying to emulate. I believe The Vulture was supposed to have been the second villain in that movie.

It's not that they haven't aged well; it's that they always had a feeling of movies made in a different era.

 

The unmasking scene on the train in Raimi's SM2 is still one of the GOAT superhero scenes on film.

 

I did love all the cameos of the Raimi films: Bruce Campbell, Lucy Lawless, Ted Raimi, Hal Sparks, and a pre-Bones Emily Deschanel!

I knew Bruce and Ted were in them but everyone else was a happy surprise!

 

Sam always gives his bro and his buddy roles.