When did Discovery JUMP the Shark?

I didn’t say it was. I said it was the most logical way to interpret the episode, because there’s no way that the PU and the MU would be anything alike at that time with what we learned about it later.

And those four crewmembers? An illusion too. We have no idea of what the Halkans were capable of, just like we had no idea what the Organians were capable of until they showed their true colors.

Of course this is all science fiction, so one can interpret things any way they want. Obviously this wasn’t the “Mirror Mirror” writers’ intent, or the intent of everything that came after, but one can certainly argue the case for their own interpretation.

 

But it isn't.

There's nothing on screen in any episode to support this supposition about the Halkans. You may as well say that any alien could be a godlike, noncorporeal being in disguise and anything goes.

 

As I said, it’s a valid interpretation (but clearly not the writers’ intent) that wasn't borne out in future productions. Just because you don’t like the interpretation doesn’t mean it’s not a valid way of hypothesizing about it.

And how many godlike noncorporeal beings did the Enterprise encounter in TOS? More than a few.

 

No. It is what is.

 

It's an interpretation completely lacking in supporting evidence. But, yeah, you do you.

 

Says you.

 

I will, thank you.

 

You are correct.

 

I usually am.

 

I'm partial to the concept behind DS9's "Crossover" and really like the episode.

If I remember correctly, the writer (Peter Allen Fields) based it around the idea that, if Deep Space Nine is more about dealing with long-term consequences like the situation with Bajor, then the DS9 conception of the Mirror Universe revolves around what happens in the weeks after Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise leaves? One of the biggest conceits of TOS is that we see them intervene in the lives of the planet of the week, seem to set things on the right track, and then move on. But what happens next?

And DS9's take on the Mirror Universe is what if Kirk's intervention for Mirror Spock to "do the right thing" was the worst possible thing that he could have done, and it utterly destroys their society?

 

Well, it's not like the Terran Empire didn't deserve to be destroyed. And it was doomed anyway. But point taken. For humans Kirk's intervention is something of a disaster, yep. And at least some other subject races.

In retrospect, Kirk's awfully lucky that the MU and prime universe can diverge. Otherwise he would have destroyed the Federation too.

 

How did it deserved it? One question that is regularly ignored is why is our Prime universe (for want of a better word) standard of morality be applied?

 

For me, the series went off the rails when it started to center far too much on crewmembers having too many traumatic situations that forced them to leave their posts in the middle of a crucial situation, almost the same level as the cutaways to having way too many talks about their feelings, to the point of distraction from the plot.

I'm not saying people can't feel, but there needs to be a line drawn in a story where the lead story needs to be the...lead story. You simply can't have something like an unknown entity destroying star systems at random, but have to hold off on finding that because someone is homesick.

For me, the third season was frustrating, but I had to stop watching in the middle of the fourth. It was going way overboard.

 

It’s only by accident, and “our” USS Defiant and 23rd century tech appearing in their universe in the 22nd century, that the Terran Empire was able to sustain itself.

The Enterprise 2-parter shows the Terran Empire to be unstable and fighting off widespread rebellion before the appearance of the Defiant gives Empress Hoshi a power base to quell any problems.

Once the rest of the quadrant caught up with the technological level the Prime Universe gave them, and Mirror Spock attempted reforms, the status quo seemed to re-establish itself and the Empire was doomed.

 

That doesn't really answer the question at all. "Deserved" implies a standard of some measure, not whether or not they can maintain the power base. Of course the Terran Empire thrives off of imbalance of power; that's how many empires work. What makes this one less deserving.

 

The resolution of the Burn in season three for me. I think I'd have rather it be all about Burnham instead than that complete bullshit.

 

Having dilithium being rendered inert by the psychic sub-space backlash of someone in pain is about as Star Trek as it gets

 

It's like all uranium being suddenly rendered inert because someone from Pripyat stubbed their toe.