Why was Enterprise received so poorly?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by dcm, Jun 30, 2023.

  1. Farscape One

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    Yes, entitled to some fresh air. You don't think a living being is entitled to some real air, outside of an enclosed starship once in a while?
     
  2. Skywalker

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    Not on someone else's planet, without permission.
     
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    And they were given the genome of the entire crew and Porthos. As Archer said, they could have told him to keep Porthos on board.
     
  4. DonIago

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    Clearly Archer was entirely right and the aliens were entirely unreasonable.
     
  5. Farscape One

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    I never said that. But the Kreetasans are ridiculous people who have proven to be unreasonable pricks when they want to be.

    Look at their first appearance in "VOX SOLA". They get offended and storm off the ship without even bothering to say why they are offended (after being asked multiple times) and when the crew does find them again, they say it was because of the crew eating... which is exactly what they themselves do, only not in public. But they expected the crew to know this was a taboo without them actually saying anything?

    If someone was doing or saying something that offended you without them knowing it was offensive to you, what is the more reasonable thing to do? Storm off without giving ANY hint of why you were offended, even after multiple attempts of that person asking what the issue is and trying to apologize, but you don't even bother to try to hear it? Or letting that person know you were offended by that action or word or whatever, and give them a chance to apologize and try not to do that again?

    Honestly, they give off the appearance of a race who just gets off on being 'offended' and making other people apologize to them all the time.

    And frankly, the more I write about that species, the more I see them as unreasonable pricks.
     
  6. DonIago

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    Perhaps in their culture it's considered even more distasteful to tell someone why they've offended you?

    It sounds to me a bit as though you're applying human cultural norms to an alien civilization.

    But to get back to the original point, nobody on Enterprise is "entitled" to fresh air, especially fresh air on a planet belonging to an alien civilization...that's the kind of sentiment I'd expect to hear from an expansionist civilization that didn't care about the rights of others. The Kreetassans could have refused Our Heroes permission to visit their planet and would have been well within their rights to do so.

    As for them not anticipating Porthos getting sick, maybe they overlooked something, maybe they didn't have the information they needed, or maybe it was something nobody could have anticipated. "We sent them a copy of our genome" is hardly carte blanche to assume that all potential outcomes have been accounted for.

    This reminds me of "Justice", where a century later our presumably more evolved heroes somehow fail to anticipate that one of their own could end up facing the death penalty despite the laws not being a secret. And yet, while Our Heroes do protest the laws in that episode, I don't recall them at any point blaming the aliens for their own failures.
     
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  7. Farscape One

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    I don't think it's just humans who have let others know if they've been offended or not. We've seen countless examples of other races letting others know that they were offended, so no, I'm not applying a human view to them, though I can see how it may appear that way based on my question.

    And when I mention that they could have told Archer to keep Porthos on board, it wasn't because it was to prevent him from getting sick. (Though he wouldn't have gotten sick in the first place.) I say it because if you don't want someone else's pet in your house, for whatever reason, when they come over, you tell them to keep the pet home.

    I think we'll just end up agreeing to disagree about this episode.