The merged and improved (?) KIC 8462852 thread

It gets better. Look at his post from January 28, where he cites this forum and "the most recent discussion" when he's really talking about one of his own monologues. This is after declaring that "WE have declared the dim ... not to be related to comets".

 

I am certain that your own dialogue has maintained that comets caused the dims of KIC 8462. It sounds to me like you are trying to take credit for something that you have maintained the complete opposite of the entire time.

The reason why discovering planets around KIC 8462 is important is because of the recent impact that occurred with Jupiter. Many astronomers have studied Jupiter and have determined that without Jupiter being present to sweep large comets, asteroids and other debris away that the same objects pulled into Jupiter's gravitational field would have more than likely have collided with Earth and would continue to collide with Earth thus causing life to cease to exist.

If a Super Jupiter did cause the 22% and the 22% dim has a transit value similar to Jupiter's at 33 hours then the distance between KIC 8462 and the Super Jupiter sized planet would be in a Sweeper Zone of influence that would help protect inner plants of KIC 8462 allowing life to evolve and continue to grow.

 

It sounds to me like you haven't read anything I've written. Or, more likely, that you've confused me with someone else.

Amazing! Are there any headlines left out there that you haven't dragged in and grafted on to otherwise unconnected topics?

 

Let's be clear: you are the only one in this thread(s) who strongly believe it was something other than comets; your position is illogical, however, because your alternatives do not even slightly fit the data.

It didn't. Jupiter is actually about as large as a gas giant can get for that composition. Adding more mass wouldn't make it larger just a hell of a lot DENSER. If you added enough mass to Jupiter it would eventually become a brown dwarf and THEN begin to expand, and adding more mass still would give it enough gravity to begin nuclear fusion and become a star.

But the light curves from Tabby's Star are not consistent with a brown dwarf, nor even for a perfectly opaque spheroid. The pattern shows assymetry and evidence of multiple reversals, both of which are consistent with the occulter being an aggregate of many smaller components.

No it would not. The transit times of these events is too short to be consistent with an object in a circular orbit. They are far more likely to be eliptical orbits with high eccentricities. That means either comets and associated coma/tail/debris, or some other diffuse debris cloud of a type we have never encountered before.

A planet is pretty much the one thing it COULDN'T be.

 

Cloaking a Star - KIC 8462852 mentioned

http://www.space.com/32423-laser-cloak-could-hide-earth-from-aliens.html

Another possible reason why KIC 8462 and other stars with the KIC designation have very odd dims. The light curve of each sun might be possibly being affected so that the planets orbiting KIC with sentient life on them would be obscured so as too keep the planets hidden.

If we can theorize or even develop. such an idea then an alien race of the same caliber of sentient thought as humans have would also be able to theorize and develop such a device

 

The device described from your link is designed to eliminate the dip in light associated with a transit. It is exactly the opposite of what you are saying it is. The whole point of the device is to hide a dip in brightness, not create one.

 

Apparently not!

 

THAT is a real genuine possibility (not plausible, but still). It's worth considering for one simple reason: the assumption that the light curve is a natural phenomenon narrows it down to a very short list of suspects, but if the light curve is DELIBERATELY obscured by artificial means (a form of interference on a massive scale) then the anomalies in the observations could have other explanations.

That's also possible, but again not really plausible. To begin with, there'd be very little REASON for them to do so, since any civilization advanced enough to be worth hiding from would be advanced enough to recognize the anomalies as artificial features and not natural ones.

 

If the Dalek's can't eliminate the transit event itself, an alternative technique would be to spoof the light curve of something like a large supercomet or a swarm of smaller ones.

That way, a casual search won't detect the Crucible until the Dalek's are ready to deploy the reality bomb.

 

As far as I am concerned, Rose already handled that shit.

 

Then why do they keep coming back?

Seriously: WHY? Are they, like, a multicellular herpes simplex? Never really gone, just temporarily not doing anything?

I swear the fucking Daleks are even harder to kill than Dryson's threads.

 

Kepler may have lost its third Reaction Wheel.

http://www.space.com/32529-nasa-kepler-exoplanet-spacecraft-emergency-mode.html

http://www.albanydailystar.com/science/what-is-kic-8462852-mystery-riverside-tech-time-11651.html

Scientists say that infrared light doesn’t show evidence of two of the leading theories: that planetary impact, or two asteroids colliding into each other, had created debris that is moving in front of the star. If that was the case then the clouds of rock would be hot enough that they would glow in the view of the infrared camera.

But, like WISE, Spitzer did not find any significant excess of infrared light from warm dust. That makes theories of rocky smashups very unlikely, and favors the idea that cold comets are responsible. It’s possible that a family of comets is traveling on a very long, eccentric orbit around the star. At the head of the pack would be a very large comet, which would have blocked the star’s light in 2011, as noted by Kepler. Later, in 2013, the rest of the comet family, a band of varied fragments lagging behind, would have passed in front of the star and again blocked its light.

By the time Spitzer observed the star in 2015, those comets would be farther away, having continued on their long journey around the star. They would not leave any infrared signatures that could be detected.

However, NASA is still not certain this is actually the case and is planning to make more observations.

“We may not know yet what’s going on around this star,” said Massimo Marengo of Iowa State University.

“But that’s what makes it so interesting.”

Kepler Checks out Okay

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/tech/...-spacecraft0805PMStoryGalLink&linkId=23329483

 

Could the cannibilization taking place in the Fornax cluster somehow have caused the light curves of KIC 8462 to occur seeing as how the Fornax Cluster is only 65 light years away?

Cannibal galaxy spotted in new photo of Fornax Cluster
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/14/tech/cannibal-galaxies-photo-irpt/index.html

How much gravitational pull is present in the Fornax Cluster compared to a black hole?

 

no.

 

Is any of this your words or is it 100 percent the work of other people? I truly cannot tell when do threads like this.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/tech/cosmic-dust-nasa-cassini-irpt/index.html

(CNN)NASA just discovered some special particles floating in our cosmic neighborhood.

The Cassini spacecraft, which has been orbiting Saturn since 2004, has detected alien dust that came from outside our solar system.

Scientists suspect that this dust is interstellar in origin because it moves fast and in different directions, compared to the dust found on Saturn, according to a recently published report in the journal of Science. And although this alien dust was faint, it had a distinct signature.

Could the reason for the dimming of KIC 8462 have been caused by alien dust passing through the system that would be very faint and almost impossible to detect using Kepler but would have enough volume to cause the dims of KIC 8462 as the dust particle transited across KIC 8462?

 

not sure what to make of this star system, quite fascinating stuff.

 

I think they're Burma-shave signs from a von Neuman probe with OCD myself...

 

Once again no one is able to provide any replies relating to the context of the discussion.

 

Dryson, people have thoroughly replied to you for pages and pages. You ignored nearly all of it, so your complaining about the same behavior is pretty pathetic. Maybe it is time for you to put this thread out of its misery and have it closed?