Timelines, reality,star trek, canon, and the Truth!

Nope, not at all. How many realities/universe there are, have NOTHING to do with whether or not you can change the timeline of the reality you are in by going back through time. Not even a little bit.

What writers say it is, matters nothing. It just means the writers are a bunch of idiots who have no understanding of how the Star Trek universe works.

1. Back to the Future is not Star Trek. You might wanna try and keep your mind in reality.

2. The alternate 1985 of Back to the Future is a changed 1985. If Mary and co. had simply gone into another reality, nothing they would do afterward would get them back to their own reality except tunneling to that reality. The whole point of the movie is to CORRECT CHANGES in the timeline, not switch back to your own.

3. Whether or not there is a Mirror Universe and other realities out there, has no impact on how time travel works, AT ALL, as I already said above.

Star Trek is a pile of shit, plain and simple. It does not even close to touching the heart and soul of Star Trek (as someone said above); it won't even be able to touch it with a million kilometer pole from where they went. Star Trek is nothing but a meaningless SFX fest, with not a even a little bit of everything that made Star Trek Star Trek. In other words; no theme, no plot, no heart, no touching upon our reality, it reduced normal human beings who got where they were by hard work, to teen little twits who will get where they are no matter what they do because it is "destiny". It took the secular humanism that is at the heart of Star Trek, shred it into pieces, tossed it out the window and then peed over it. It's Trek Wars; and I have no interest in Trek Wars; I'm interested in Star Trek. And this movie is NOT Star Trek.

 

I'm glad you think so.

 

Nope. His logic is bull. He problem didn't see the timeline CHANGE around the Enterprise-E when the Borg sphere disappeared through their time vortex. If the sphere simply went to another timeline, the Earth in the timeline we're in, wouldn't have changed to a Borg-assimilated world.

There might be ANOTHER alternate timeline that is the same as the timeline of the 24th century where Nero and Spock went back through time, but where this even does NOT happen and thus in that way the events of timeline we're following are still out there, but that's not the timeline that got changed, that's not the Star Trek reality we've been following for 40 years. It just happens to be the same up until that point in time, and continues onward the way the Star Trek reality should have been.

The thing is; I don't give a shit about this new pile of shit, empty, heartless, Trek Wars timeline. I won't be bothering with it.

There is no paradox. The universe doesn't give a shit about paradox. It's only our, or rather a giant subsection of our species', limited primitive view of time as some ridiculous continuous unbroken line. It simply isn't, and quantum mechanics even tells us so, but people are incapable of grasping what it means. Time is discrete. There is not continuous line. It's just a whole slew of tiny tiny discrete moments linked in a chain. We don't notice the stops in between them, but they're there.

Result being, a time portal pops up, the universe doesn't give a damn where it comes from. Whether it's from the past, the future - and the dude that pops out of it is the grandson of some guy walking around now - an another reality, universe, dimension, timeline - or if it literally just popped out of nowhere, the universe, that section of space and time doesn't care. Obviously, it's not alive, it can't care. To that section of space-time, that discrete moment, it is indeed as if that time portal simply popped into existence out of nowhere.

And whether that person kills his grandson or not; doesn't matter. That person kills a person, and that's it. And whether the future that the time portal came from still exists as it was before, and that dead person had to father children for the person that's there to be born - the universe doesn't care. Whether that person came from another universe, came from the future, or just popped into existence - the universe doesn't care. He's there, and that's all that matters.

Nope; there is such a thing as: classified.

Nope. The moment Q Who tells us that Guinan's race was annihilated by the Borg and that she and other's reached the Federation decades ago as refugees, everyone should have known, that the Federation already knew about the Borg since the time she and others arrived in the Federation. They would not have stayed quite; not all of them, at least one would warn the Federation people what's out there, so they can go and prepare to fight them.

And that's exactly what the Federation did; they just did it classified, clandestinely, and in secret.

Except that it does not. The movie doesn't even come close to what Star Trek was and is. This movie takes the true spirit of TOS, rips it to shreds, and tosses it out the window. TOS was all about secular humanism, about people - not destiny - about people working hard to get where they are and doing things. And at the same time, the stories touched about our present real life.

This movie is just a bunch of empty meaningless SFX scenes stuffed together, strung together by jokes.

 

For someone who doesn't "give a shit", you sure do blather on.

 

3d master, we get it, you hate this movie. But with all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what really happens when one travels through time so your arguments are a little silly. This is all speculation. The whole point of this movie was to reintroduce the original characters and revive interest in the franchise, not to argue the fundamental choices we make in life or some other lesson learned in life or whatever. You're comparing a 2 hour movie to a series that had 79, 1-hour episodes that could establish itself for what it was. I doubt the first two episodes of TOS conveyed what Star Trek was all about. I think you're being way too irrational and you need to give this a chance. Otherwise, stop annoying people with your opinions.

 

Of course! As someone who has an opinion that is contrary to some people on a DISCUSSION board the sole purpose of which is to give your opinion and discuss it, I am not allowed to voice that opinion.

What a grand vision for the future that is. I'm sure we'll get to Star Trek's future if we implement that attitude throughout the world!

 

Not as lazy as your inability to distinguish 'your' from 'you're'. I'm sure Orci et al can spell. You should try it. Your Vulcan friends, which you seem to think are real, would appreciate it.

 

uh....do you really think our "REAL" life is heading towards star treks "fictional" world? with the world the way it is now we will be lucky to make it 50 more years....let alone create warp 1 and meet vulcans in montana. but then again who am i to argue with destiny.

 

There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion. It's just you're conveying the same opinion rather excessively. Let other people have their say without the constant rebuking.

 

Depends on if Sweden will be the most powerful country in the world or not. The Swedish can do anything.

 

i think it also depends if a man named zephran cochran (sorry if misspelled) is born.....other wise it just cant happen!!!! lol....sorry im just teasing those who are that obssesd with star trek that they have to cry about the new movie wich was in MY opion a pretty good MOVIE, since thats all it is is a MOVIE lol...like someone above somewhere said. its just about building a wider fan base and bringing back old characters for new bold adventures going where no one has gone before.

 

You missed the point of the series, watch it again. The whole point is that we CAN transcend what we are and are not bound by the Fates. Our oppression is self-made and can be eventually destroyed.

If you want something more "practical" I suggest you read Armor or something. Oppressive, highly inefficient autocracy where human ambitions get in the way of a functioning society and the expanses of space are rendering the human ability to even function almost impossible. Oh, yeah, and we are probably going to lose a war we probably started against an alien race that we don't understand and can't even communicate with. That is where we are actually headed unless we do transcend the human BS. Pretty bleak, huh?

 

Not another one of those 'I know how Star Trek Time Travel is suppose to work, and that is not it BS arguments.'.

Its FAKE SCIENCE!

 

lol no actually i have no clue as to what will happen to human beings in the future, im not a phycic if i were id be the richest person alive. and would advert all wars and anything else bad that may come. What i do belive in the real world is that we will if we are lucky enough to make it that far have first contact with alien races. but star trek is a fantasy scfi show that plp are so obssesed with they devote there lives to something that is false im a realest. Now i love star trek but i wont let it rule my life into thinking we will actually see star trek come true....though i guess it kinda of already is with tos communicator much being the cell phone of our world. holograms are slowly getting better what else....

 

Fake science that still worked a certain way in every time travel story in all of Star Trek - which means we know how it works in Star Trek - until now, or in other words, the movie has it wrong.

 

^^^ Yawn...



But seriously now - JJ made an awesome movie! Nothing was 'wrong' with it. Infact, it has done what no Trek movie has done before, made lots of non-Trek peeps I know suddenly become interested in the TOS, having shown no interest whatsoever, leading up until this movie was recently released...

How dare JJ Abrams make a great movie, accessible to most people, and reinvigorate a franchise that was barely relevant to the masses!!!!

The NERVE!!!!!

 

Exactly how is even one of them interested in TOS? They're still happily deriding it for "how bad it is". And how it is NOT entertaining. And how it is slow and pondering and all that shit.

They're not interested in Star Trek in any way shape or form at all. They'll only watch this empty SFX fest strung along by jokes. It isn't Star Trek, it never will be Star Trek and they'll never will be into Star Trek. Even those thoughtful enough to may have liked actual Star Trek won't go back to the old, good stuff, because they'll hate this empty pile of shit every bit as much as anyone else with a brain - which won't endear them to go watch the old stuff, except maybe out of spite.

Also, everything is wrong with this movie. I find it so ridiculous that JJ was all about how after Galaxy Quest nobody could take Star Trek serious anymore and then happily went to make Galaxy Quest 2; except worse. Galaxy Quest was better Star Trek movie than Star Trek was. It had more thought, intelligence and downright heart to it, than this empty SFX-fest will ever have.

 

If you hate what the movie has done why don't you go start your own forum about how much the movie sucks.

And yes it is such a shame the series made it back to the big screen.

They should have put you in charge of killing it not JJ.

 

Well, this definitely requires quoting myself:

 

We're fickle.